Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Aquinasfan
If God created the universe, that fact will be scientifically provable. Those who place their faith in the Bible need not fear science. But they must challenge unscientific methods.

Ancient greeks, like "modern" Darwinists, maintained that the universe had no beginning. But in the 1940s, serious scientists (like Einstein) began to see that the first and second laws of thermodynamics and the relativity theory supported the concept that we live in an ever expanding universe, which tended to be winding down. Einstein resisted his findings, because they ran counter to the theory of evolution, which he once thought true.

In the 1960s, the scientific world was shook to its core when the Big Bang Theory was shown to be more probable than Darwin's Theory of Evolution. The two theories are entirely incompatible, although they are taught side by side in schools today. The Big Bang Theory states the universe started at a specific time. Darwin maintained that the universe always existed. Both cannot be correct.

Humanists automatically discredit the Bible, regardless of its veracity. Instead of having our children quote the Bible in class, they should ask the teachers whether they believe in the Big Bang Theory or the Theory of Evolution. This question seems "scientific" enough, but will force our educators to actually learn that the two theories are indeed incompatible. Even the scientific community will have to balk if our educators attempt to stuff the Big Bang Genie back into its bottle.

10 posted on 09/25/2001 7:11:55 AM PDT by keats5
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: keats5
In the 1960s, the scientific world was shook to its core when the Big Bang Theory was shown to be more probable than Darwin's Theory of Evolution. The two theories are entirely incompatible, although they are taught side by side in schools today. The Big Bang Theory states the universe started at a specific time. Darwin maintained that the universe always existed. Both cannot be correct.

What am I missing here. I thought I studied Evolution in college in the 60's but I dont recall anything about Darwinists believing that the universe always existed.

Even if Darwinists did beleive that the universe always existed, that is still not sufficient reason to say that the big bang and evolution could not both be true. God created the world. It sprang from nothingness (quantuum singularity) to an (ever?) expanding universe. Over millenia, life evolved on Earth. Some species died out and others were created. Little by little, those creatures that were best suited for their environment proliferated while those less well suited, such as the Dinosaurs, died off. Evolution is a process of change. Its just as valid if it started from a point as if it always existed. The matterialists who pushed Evolution as a theory may have believed the world always existed in order to avoid dealing with God but I fail to see why evolution requires a never beginning universe in order to be valid. What am I missing?

15 posted on 09/25/2001 7:38:15 AM PDT by Dave S
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: keats5
In the 1960s, the scientific world was shook to its core when the Big Bang Theory was shown to be more probable than Darwin's Theory of Evolution. The two theories are entirely incompatible, although they are taught side by side in schools today. The Big Bang Theory states the universe started at a specific time. Darwin maintained that the universe always existed. Both cannot be correct.

Really? I did not know this. I'm admittedly not a scientist, but I've done some research but I was still completley unaware that Darwin made claims regarding the nature of the universe. In fact, it was my understanding that Darwin's theories were biological in nature and made no claims about the age of the universe or its origins (or lack thereof). Could you cite the work where Darwin made the claim that the universe had no beginning and tied this claim to his theory of evolution?

Instead of having our children quote the Bible in class, they should ask the teachers whether they believe in the Big Bang Theory or the Theory of Evolution. This question seems "scientific" enough, but will force our educators to actually learn that the two theories are indeed incompatible. Even the scientific community will have to balk if our educators attempt to stuff the Big Bang Genie back into its bottle.

I think that the scientific community will be more interested in discovering that Darwin's theory makes claims about the universe's origins. Most scientists seem to think that the Big Bang theory deals with the origins of the entire universe and that Darwin's theories (and the subsequent therories and hypothesis built thereupon) deal with how existing life forms are related to life in the past. Most educators who teach Darwinian evolution don't include that bit about the universe always existing, as though that bit isn't even in the theory.
16 posted on 09/25/2001 7:51:06 AM PDT by Dimensio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: keats5
The Big Bang Theory states the universe started at a specific time. Darwin maintained that the universe always existed.

So Darwin's wrong on the "big bang". So what?

60 posted on 09/25/2001 1:28:22 PM PDT by dbbeebs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: keats5
Darwin maintained that the universe always existed.

Darwin never "maintained" any such thing. Where are you getting this?

the Big Bang Theory was shown to be more probable than Darwin's Theory of Evolution. The two theories are entirely incompatible

How? Why? How does the fact that the universe originated by the expansion of space-time from a singularity prevent the occurance of biological evolution on the planet earth 10+ billion years later? No hand waving, please. What specifically is the contradiction between the theories.

64 posted on 09/25/2001 3:11:07 PM PDT by Stultis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson