Galilee Drought Uncovers Oldest Village In The World

Sunday Times (UK) ^ | 9-23-2001 | Dina Shiloh

[rface]

Religious or not - Creationist or not - Straight or not. You have bad manners.

Ashland, Missouri

[#3Fan]

Serious question. How long are we supposed to have been here on earth?

Everyone seems to forget the bible wasn't written in English. The word "day" in the Genesis verses is Strong's #3117 in Hebrew meaning:

03117 yowm {yome}

from an unused root meaning to be hot; TWOT - 852; n m

AV - day 2008, time 64, chronicles + 01697 37, daily 44, ever 18,

year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8 always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2287

1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day's journey
1c) days, lifetime (pl.)
1d) time, period (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow

As you can see, #3117 designates a time period, not exclusively a 24 hour period. The earth is billions of years old. Genesis explains creation. There's a lot of information in the first part of Genesis that doesn't immediately pop out, but will if you give your mind the key.

[marigold]

Good to hear from you! I was feeling a bit out of place, maybe a generational thing?

I know of man-made lakes that flooded homes and towns, and they might still be intact, while other houses abandoned on dry ground during the same time have weathered away.

This village must have been flooded fairly quickly, or the huts would be mere piles of sticks at best, or, more likely, compost.

[marigold]

I just reread the post with the pictures of the huts. Guess they WERE pretty much compost! Burnt, too. Oh, well, archaeologists have to do something with their time; and reconstructing stick huts, well, that's one way to earn a salary. :)

[AlGone2001]

As you can see, #3117 designates a time period, not exclusively a 24 hour period.

But, we do know that the record in the Hebrew text goes on to say that "the evening and the day were the first day." In fact, that same record is given for each day.

God created the foilage on the 3rd day, and the sun on the 4th day. He also told us that it was to reproduce after its own kind. This means that it was on its own. If there was a long period between those days, the plants and trees would have died, as they live by photosynthesis.

Really, it's simple. We make it more difficult when we add our own thoughts to fulfill our own thoughts and hopes.

It comes down to the fact that we were told that the evening and the day were the first day. That means that these were specified periods of time. It may be possible that the word can have different meanings, but when add the fact that the day was considered a combination of day and night, along with the fact that the plants needed the sun, that rules out your interpretation.

[AlGone2001]

On the third day the earth, dry land appeared.

You still fail to account for the fact that the greenery appeared. It needed light to live, as God declared that it would reproduce after its own kind. Things work out marvelous for you when you leave holes in the message. But, when you have to face the greenery, its an entirely different story.

[AlGone2001]

The day you speak of was called a Grand Age and lasted 25,856 of our Earth years.

I can't wait to see you reference that passage. Humor me.

[#3Fan]

But, we do know that the record in the Hebrew text goes on to say that "the evening and the day were the first day." In fact, that same record is given for each day.

Exactly. For each of these time periods there was a beginning (evening) and an end (day) designating that they didn't overlap. Each phase of creation had it's own time for being.

God created the foilage on the 3rd day, and the sun on the 4th day. He also told us that it was to reproduce after its own kind. This means that it was on its own. If there was a long period between those days, the plants and trees would have died, as they live by photosynthesis.

A sun was created on the first day. As I've shown above each "day" was a time period. There wasn't an extended period of darkness after a sun was established.

It comes down to the fact that we were told that the evening and the day were the first day. That means that these were specified periods of time. It may be possible that the word can have different meanings, but when add the fact that the day was considered a combination of day and night, along with the fact that the plants needed the sun, that rules out your interpretation.

How so? A sun was created on the first day.

[marigold]

That's what I would guess. I didn't know there were hot springs in the area, but it's not a big surprise. As you say, it is a geologically active region.

Now, as to whether it was a village or a hangout for bandits or a leper colony........I don't think I'll get into that.

[jminardi]

Hello,
4-14-05
I just finished reading an article about Ohalo 2. I wanted to get more information about this find and my search came up with this website and this article DROUGHT UNCOVERS OLDEST VILLAGE......

I noticed your comment about being prepared for the creationist. Just want to let you know that the article I just finished reading was printed by Reasons To Believe and it states that the evidence shows that the Ohalo 2 site is probably 12,000 years older than the Neolithic revolution. Not all of us who believe in creation have fallen into the trap of believing the earth is only 6000 years old. I for one believe it is 4.5 billion. If your interested, check out the website www.reasons.org.

Thanks, John

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[SunkenCiv]

World's Oldest Brush Huts by MAS:
Some of the Earliest Homes are discovered in Israel's Jordan Valley
Discovering Archaeology
September / November 2000

A major archaeological discovery emerged from the Sea of Galilee recently as sealevel fell in the wake of a a brutal drought. The receding water revealed the well-preserved remains of the oldest brush huts ever found. The rudimentary homes are 19,400 years old.

The prehistoric campsite in Israel's Jordan Valley contained the dirt-packed foundations of six huts, a grave, several hearths, and an area believed to have been used as a garbage dump. Preservation, because it was submerged under water for millennia, was incredible considering its age, said archaeologist Dani Nadel of the University of Haifa.

Radiocarbon dating shows the huts to be among the oldest surviving structures in the world. The floor of one hut yielded a unique array of artifacts, including chipped stone tools, animal bones, and burned fruit and seeds. Excavations near another of the structures revealed the grave of an adult male who was buried with a carved gazelle bone.

The largest hut, an oval some four meters (13 feet) on its long axis, apparently consisted of thick oak branches covered with grass and leaves. No postholes were found. "For the first time," Nadel said, "we have artifacts that tell us about the daily indoor activities of the people that lived here 19,000 years ago."

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