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To: jennyp
'clearer' ?? Only in some people's minds.

What caused the 'process' to exist? What about the argument of first cause? It didn't exist out of nothing... so who created this physical universe? The fact that we are even discussing shows that something/someone exists as a creator.

And as to the process, micro evolution within a species is what is often cited as proof, however that is significantly different than macro evolution. If that were happening we would have a continious stream of evolving species and not the distinctly different sets we see now.

One large deficiency with living with evolution is that you are left with conclusions that are too difficult to live with.

For example, 'racism' is natural. What human civilization didn't have it? Name one? So if it is a part of our nature, then why change it. The argument would be, hey that's the way I'm made so back off! It's an alternative lifestyle right? Well, that is where natural law comes in (er at least the need for absolutes). Regardless of our behaviour, it is inherently wrong to murder, kill, steal, be racist, etc.

And that isn't because of evolution, but rather because God has written his law on our hearts. Each person has some sort of general sense of right and wrong (regardless of the sin nature that each of us has... being a human). I've never yet seen any child yet who naturally always obeyed and had to be taught to lie. It is always the reverse.

Fwiw, I think a couple of simple reasons mankind loves the idea of evolution (secular society anyway) is because:

- Mankind loves to be able to figure out how things work and this model provides a formula for about everything we see (i.e. wait long enough and it'll just happen). Never mind order from disorder violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
- More importantly, we don't have absolutes anymore and therefore we can do what we want. [Isn't mankind naturally a rebel?] No one inherently likes to be told what to do.

19 posted on 09/24/2001 2:34:36 PM PDT by blue jeans
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To: blue jeans
Having achieved rationality and sapience, our species is able to see beyond the range of the moment
and adopt moral codes that rise above "kill or be killed" or "if it is natural, do it."

There is no there in your argument.

21 posted on 09/24/2001 2:38:45 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: blue jeans
Never mind order from disorder violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

The 2LoT says that going from disorder to order will require energy. IOW, it says that living things will always have to eat.

Other than that, there's nothing that the 2LoT says about evolution or creation.

64 posted on 09/25/2001 12:56:15 AM PDT by jennyp
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To: blue jeans
And that isn't because of evolution, but rather because God has written his law on our hearts.

Interesting point. If you want to drive an evolutionist nuts just ask him who wrote those natural laws that they believe in so much, who enforces those laws.

134 posted on 09/25/2001 8:04:58 PM PDT by gore3000
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