Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pope in dramatic appeal to avert war
Yahoo News (Reuters) ^ | 9-23-01 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 09/23/2001 3:34:26 PM PDT by Iowegian

Pope John Paul has issued a dramatic appeal that the world not be allowed to slide into war following attacks on the United States and urged against a deepening of religious divisions.

"With all my heart I beg God to keep the world in peace," the Pope said on Sunday at the end of a mass for some 50,000 people on the first full day of his visit to Kazakhstan, a Central Asian republic which may be caught up in an eventual regional crisis.

"We must not let what happened lead to a deepening of divisions. Religion must never be used as a reason for conflict," he said, referring to tensions with some parts of the Islamic world following the attacks in New York and Washington.(snip)

NEGOTIATIONS, NOT WAR

On arrival in Kazakhstan on Saturday, Pope John Paul said all controversies between nations must be resolved by negotiations and dialogue, not force of arms.

The Pope, who aides say is losing sleep over the possibility of war, celebrated a mass that began with a stiff wind blowing in from Siberia over the flat steppes and ended in sunshine.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 261-280281-300301-320321-326 next last
To: esther2
I thought about returning to the Catholic church because I'm a member of one of the mainline denominations (Presbyterian Church U.S.A.--which my mother was raised in) that seems to be speeding toward apostasy. It's hard to tell the difference between the PCUSA and the Democrat Party sometimes. But the congregation of which I'm a member is very conservative, and we probably will leave the PCUSA if the ruling body decides to approve homosexual ordination of clergy. My pastor says he thinks we'll have a good idea by February as to whether the denomination is going to split or not, so I've been waiting to see what happens.

This is the problem I have with mainline Protestantism (fundamentalism, with its comic book theology is a different creature). It seems to be like a religious weather vane, blowing in different directions, doing 180 degree about-faces, splitting, uncertainty, and more. These are all distractions -and about things that were settled 1500 years ago- that take away from real worship.
281 posted on 09/25/2001 8:02:53 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 278 | View Replies]

To: ballina
I am not in court, in case you haven't noticed.
282 posted on 09/25/2001 8:12:14 PM PDT by lawgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 269 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die
I don't get it. Only Catholics suffer from being CINO's???? Are all Protestants pious by default????? Absolutely not. At least in my opinion. In any congregation you might name and by their own standards of Christian faith, it would be virtually impossible to consider more than a third as being saved. For instance, the fictional purgatory invented by Origen misleads those in the church of Rome (and other universalists) to believe vainly that they will eventually be saved no matter what, a virtual univeralism that is only one of the errors introduced to Christians in the period in which the Roman church became the agent of the Roman empire. These doctrines are worldly notions that are shared by many inside and outside the church of Rome. Many, perhaps most, Protestants today share one or more of these errors which are in direct conflict with scriptural teachings. One may look at the ancient Roman church and have some understanding and sympathy for their circumstances and their good intentions in promulgating such doctrine. But thier good intent does not excuse them for having substituted the ideas of man for the truth of God. The same may be said of any denomination or church who strays from the steady light of sola scriptura.
283 posted on 09/25/2001 10:22:18 PM PDT by George W. Bush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 280 | View Replies]

Comment #284 Removed by Moderator

Comment #285 Removed by Moderator

To: Goldhammer
Can you say more about this pact. Did the US promise to defend these folks in return for the no-nuke policy?
286 posted on 09/26/2001 12:57:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 284 | View Replies]

Comment #287 Removed by Moderator

To: Goldhammer
Are they under any country's umbrella (Russia?). Or did they decide to go stark naked.
288 posted on 09/26/2001 1:17:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 287 | View Replies]

Comment #289 Removed by Moderator

To: Goldhammer
I mean nuclear deterrent protection umbrella. E.g. like the US will defend Taiwan or Japan, which yes are "independent countries," yet can not exercise any nuclear deterrent to a threatened or real nuclear attack upon themselves.
290 posted on 09/26/2001 1:36:37 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 289 | View Replies]

Comment #291 Removed by Moderator

To: Goldhammer
Saw in another thread that Russia considers most of the "stans" to still be in its sphere of influence. I don't think in the case of Japan a treaty is needed, they know what the USA would do.
292 posted on 09/26/2001 2:15:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 291 | View Replies]

Comment #293 Removed by Moderator

To: Goldhammer
The point being is didn't they give up their nukes because they felt fairly comfortable that, treaty or no, if someone else came gunning for them then it wouldn't go unanswered by a larger country (US or Russia). That isn't "building a nuke-free world," that's just being under the umbrella of someone else's nukes.
294 posted on 09/26/2001 2:55:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 293 | View Replies]

Comment #295 Removed by Moderator

To: Goldhammer
Methinks if the nukes of the USA and Russia suddenly evaporated, but others were left (e.g. China, India, Pakistan), they'd have a little different attitude.
296 posted on 09/26/2001 3:23:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 295 | View Replies]

Comment #297 Removed by Moderator

To: Conservative til I die
I thought about returning to the Catholic church because I'm a member of one of the mainline denominations (Presbyterian Church U.S.A.--which my mother was raised in) that seems to be speeding toward apostasy.

Aw look, "Conservative" isn't even Catholic at all! All these remarks about "Zeke" have been coming from someone who's a "Zeke" himself!

That must also explain why he/she doesn't know that "Cletus" was the name of the third pope.

298 posted on 09/26/2001 3:44:22 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 281 | View Replies]

To: George W. Bush, lawgirl
the_doc has made his admission (by his omission of harping upon it anymore) that the Pope did not issue a mealymouthed, hippyesque statement.

If you had read my post #185 you would know what the Pope actually said as opposed to the Yahoo News paraphrase.

If you read his entire speech you would see that:

(1) He pointed out that the terrorists invoked their grievances with the US as justification for mass murder - to which argument he responded that negotiation and peaceful discussion were the proper remedies for Arabic grievances, not violence.

(2) He goes on to say that now, since the terrorists have used murder instead of negotiation, the US has the sovereign right to take measures calculated to protect its citizens - including the right to make war on those responsible.

The Pope's message is clear to anyone who reads his full statement, instead of relying upon Yahoo News snippets. He is supporting our President 100% in his undertakings and sending a message to Catholic peaceniks that they cannot invoke the Church's just war doctrine as an excuse for pacifism in this instance because the President is doing the right thing.

As for you, lawgirl, your childish tantrums and refusal to examine all the evidence will not serve you in good stead in your chosen profession.

299 posted on 09/26/2001 5:37:57 AM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 273 | View Replies]

To: George W. Bush
For instance, the fictional purgatory invented by Origen misleads those in the church of Rome (and other universalists) to believe vainly that they will eventually be saved no matter what, a virtual univeralism that is only one of the errors introduced to Christians in the period in which the Roman church became the agent of the Roman empire

Not everyone will go to purgatory and it's kind of hard for the Catholic Church to believe in universalism with Her quite strong teaching on Hell.

Pray for John Paul II

300 posted on 09/26/2001 6:42:44 AM PDT by dignan3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 283 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 261-280281-300301-320321-326 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson