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It's Time to Declare War
Ayn Rand Institute ^ | September 20, 2001 | Leonard Peikoff

Posted on 09/23/2001 3:05:40 PM PDT by snopercod

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This article was published as a full-page advertisement in the Washington Post on September 20, 2001.
1 posted on 09/23/2001 3:05:40 PM PDT by snopercod
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Is honest discussion of our situation still allowed in America, or is that considered being "against us"?
2 posted on 09/23/2001 3:08:53 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
I think you have just won my Post of the Day award!

Thank you very much!

5 posted on 09/23/2001 3:24:37 PM PDT by lodwick (Let's Roll!)
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To: My Cat
I like the idea of committing the Congress to full support for a war effort that has a fixed goal, some loose exit strategies, and the open-ended use of all weapons in an effort to deal with these thugs. Plus , the 7 harboring states. I for one would also enlist with this war enactment, a promise from NATO and all other bi-lateral and multi-lateral defense treaties including the unwritten one with Israel that we will pursue a full war effort if they also join us with no holds barred. That may only get us 10-15 states who will go all out. So be it. Let the rest remain neutral as long as they do not interfere.
6 posted on 09/23/2001 3:25:32 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: snopercod
The rules of war make it a crime to target a military leader for death.

bin laden was certain that we would declare war. If we did and we then tried to kill him, we would be guilty of war crimes. Then our Arab friends in the UN could file charges against Bush. Bush could be tried by the Arabs, just as easily as we are trying Milosevic. He would be guilty of war crimes if he tried to take bin laden out.

No one in our senate and only one in our house, hates America enough to put our leader into the category of war criminal for trying to kill bin Laden. Many of you may have seen where Aghanistan appointed bin Laden their military commander. They did it just days before the attack on us. That way if we declared war, killing bin laden would have been a war crime.

Instead we treat him as a criminal. As an international criminal we can kill him and his followers. It is not crime to kill an international criminal. It is a crime to kill teh military leader of another nation. Elevating bin laden to the status of statesman-commander is sickening to me. The people that believe in declaring war prove how gulible they are. It is for certain that bin Laden can out think them. Thank God Laden is not in Dubya's class.

Many of the Libertarian who want us to declare war keep posting the demand. It is silly. Bush was granted more power to fight than has ever been granted a president of the United States. Support from other nations depends on who the other nations think will win. World affairs is follow the leader. If you are strong enough they will follow you. Thiry million tons of declarations will not cause nations to follow the loser. That is very simple logic.

We have put together the coalition that can and will deny the Taliban food, amunition and support. They are in an impregnable fort. It is made from 4 mile high mountains of solid rock. It can not be bombed or flamed into submission. But like all forts it has one big problem. It has no way to produce food or amunition. When Afghanistan fought Russia we supplied them with food and weapons through Pakistan. So did many arab states. This time that and all other doors of supply are slammed shut. Less than 12 percent of Afghanistan will grow food. They have to have food or they will die. We have complete control of the food spigot.

All that remains is to drive them into their fortress mountain caves and wait until they surrender or starve to death... which ever comes first.

It will not cost us lives. It won't even cost us much money or many troops.

Bush just sent the Taliban a message "Seige ya for a long time. Don't eat all your food in one meal." The only way out of a surrounded impregnable fort is to surrender or have youre starved to death body carried out by the victors.

Bush did one other very bright thing. He held no nation accountable for what it did yesterday. All nations will be held accountable for what they do today and all tomorrows.

That means we don't have to fight them if they become good bosy. Now they must become our enemy one nation at a time.

It is mob psychology in reverse. If we had taken on them all they all would have had fought us together. They would have figured that they could do a NAM on us by acting together.

But by declaring them all good guys and by Bush saying will the first guy who wants to be a bad guy do so, so I can kill you, changes the game. None of them want to be the first guy killed. They figure it would take 5 or 6 of them to NAM us and the first 4 of them die. They can't find any volunteers to be the first 4 guys.

That means we clean up Dodge City for very little cost. What we have is rogue states saying here's my gun sherrif, could you point me to the sasperilla?

Ayn Rand was brilliant. The institute things in theory. Bush thinks in practice.

7 posted on 09/23/2001 4:07:26 PM PDT by Common Tator
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I can only read so much "Objectivist" bullsh*t.

While I'm sympathetic to the fact that they aseem to be trying to be on the right side, they do it so sneeringly and condescendingly.

Yuk.

9 posted on 09/23/2001 4:29:55 PM PDT by Illbay
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We surrendered our right ot declare war, by treaty, when we joined the UN. This is why Bob Barr is trying to get a signed petition(US citizens) for a declaration of war to introduce to congress. He believes the people should know this.

Congress hasn't declared war since the end of WWII. Remember the consensus we had to build for Korea, Viet Nam, etc.....all UN debated and regulated, as this "use of all military action nesessary" will eventually be.

10 posted on 09/23/2001 4:31:30 PM PDT by martian_22
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To: Common Tator
"None of them want to be the first guy killed"...LOL!

The President is playing to a classic Old West plot-line, that's for sure!

They're each pretty sure they don't want to draw iron agin' the new Sheriff!;^)

I pray the Lord has delivered our enemies into our hands.

12 posted on 09/23/2001 5:15:09 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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In case you haven't seen this. It's a good read.
13 posted on 09/23/2001 5:15:56 PM PDT by Le-Roy
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>>Conservatives are equally responsible for today's crisis, as Reagan's record attests. Reagan not only failed to retaliate after 241 U.S. marines were slaughtered in Lebanon; he did worse. Holding that Islamic guerrillas were our ideological allies because of their fight against the atheistic Soviets, he methodically poured money and expertise into Afghanistan. This put the U.S. wholesale into the business of creating terrorists. Most of them regarded fighting the Soviets as only the beginning; our turn soon came.

I stopped reading after the above.

Afghanistan wasn't linked to Beirut. Where's Libya?

14 posted on 09/23/2001 5:37:19 PM PDT by The Raven
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Bump
15 posted on 09/23/2001 5:39:58 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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The rules of war make it a crime to target a military leader for death.

Cite, please?

If you're referring to the Ford Executive Order (which are not "rules of war"), that only forbids the assassination of a HEAD OF STATE, not the leader of a band of terrorists like Bin Laden.

16 posted on 09/23/2001 5:48:19 PM PDT by Dan Day
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I am pretty sure that declaring war affects how we can interogate prisoners or detainees. Notice there are almost no arrests related to the bombing but there are many detentions on immigration charges. I am sure this is related to the governments ability to interogate the prisoners.
17 posted on 09/23/2001 6:00:50 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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The rules of war make it a crime to target a military leader for death.

You don't know what you're talking about. There is no better or more desirable target.

Where did you come up with this stuff?

18 posted on 09/23/2001 6:04:20 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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bump
19 posted on 09/23/2001 8:50:50 PM PDT by Free the USA
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I like your analysis on the whole, as I often do. Like others, I wondered about the rules of war. The following is the list of the rules of war as found at http://print.factmonster.com/ipka/A0769998.html and a number of other places on the net. It doesn't have anything about killing commanders. I would be interested to see a link if you know a site which says differently or tells more about this.

Rule 1: Warring nations cannot use chemical weapons against each other.

Rule 2: The use of expanding bullets or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering is prohibited.

Rule 3: The discharge of projectiles (such as bullets or rockets) from balloons is prohibited.

Rule 4: Prisoners of war must be humanely treated and protected from violence. Prisoners cannot be beaten or used for propaganda purposes (to try to change the way people think about something).

Rule 5: Prisoners of war must give their true name and rank or they will lose their prisoner of war protection.

Rule 6: Nations must follow procedures to identify the dead and wounded and to send information to their families.

Rule 7: Killing anyone who has surrendered is prohibited.

Rule 8: Zones must be set up in fighting areas to which the sick and injured can be taken for treatment.

Rule 9: Special protection from attack is granted to civilian hospitals marked with the Red Cross symbol.

Rule 10: The free passage of medical supplies is allowed.

Rule 11: Shipwrecked members of the armed forces at sea should be taken ashore to safety.

Rule 12: Any army that takes control of another country must provide food to the people in that country. R

ule 13: Attacks on civilians and undefended towns are prohibited.

Rule 14: Enemy submarines cannot sink merchant or business ships before passengers and crews have been saved.

Rule 15: A prisoner can be visited by a representative from his or her country. Prisoners have the right to talk privately without observers.

There must be a story about #3.

20 posted on 09/23/2001 9:03:17 PM PDT by Southern Federalist
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