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To: AmericanCheeseFood
Needless to say it's grace, not works, that brings a man to salvation . It takes repentence (to turn away from) of sin then acceptence of Christ Jesus as Lord .

I don't argue with that. Salvation by grace alone and "Repent and believe!"

But this does not logically rule out the need for the Sacraments and the Church.

From "Catholic Answers:"

We read: "Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment" (Heb. 6:1)

Notice how in this passage we are walked through the successive stages of the Christian journey--repentance, faith, baptism, confirmation, resurrection, and judgment. This passage encapsulates the Christian's journey toward heaven and thus gives what theologians call the order of salvation or the ordo salutis. It thus well qualifies as "the elementary teachings" of the Christian faith.

The laying on of hands mentioned in the passage clearly must be confirmation: The other kinds of the imposition of hands (for ordination and for healing) are not done to each and every Christian and thus could scarcely qualify as basic teachings which form part of the order of salvation.

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This is confirmed by the constant teachings of the early Church Fathers, as is the Eucharist. See:

http://www.catholic.com/ANSWERS/tracts/eucharis.htm

176 posted on 09/25/2001 7:52:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Yeah, but for a street witness and one who brings people to Christ online, Baptising anyone is kinda hard unless there's a puddle deep enough around (lol) or theres crackers and grape juice handy.

Anyways, I can't see where you're going here . I'm just a messenger,I leave seeds and lead people to Christ, when one recieves Jesus it's up to them with Him from that point on .

It's good to see a Catholic which has a Bible out though, go and preach and do all things in His name, for He is with you .

Cheese.

(Luke 5:17-26>

194 posted on 09/26/2001 7:45:04 PM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood
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