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To: JMJ333, askel5
I did a bit of research on E. Michael Jones, and not all Catholics are comfortable with his positions. It is true that there are people inside the church who seek to do her harm. You have, however, interested me in him and I will be picking up a copy of the book you recommended.

I'm glad to hear it. I owe allegiance to ideas, and less so people. I do not know that much about Jones, but his reporting on Med. is extremely credible, and jives with what others have told me. As to your link. Jones was on tenure track at Notre Dame, but claims to have (been) left because of his views on sexuality and the pill, which coincided a lot more with those of JP2 than the faculty at ND. That someone coming from the right says what he says makes him more, and not less credible.

He continually harps on the discussions that occured in the American church after V2, and makes much of discussions between Fr. Hesburgh (ND's president) and leaders of the WASP business community, in which it was discussed that Catholics would leave their intellectual ghetto and abandon their distinctiveness in exchange for the acceptance they had previously been denied. In his opinion, part of this affected the discussions leading up to the promulgation of Humanae Vitae, with a Rockefeller jetting with Hesburgh to Rome to implore Paul VI not to ban the pill etc. In his opinion, and I think few doubt it, a permissive sexual atmossphere is incompatible with the Catholicism of yore. Whether events on the ground preceded colliquoys among America's movers and shakers, Catholic or not, or vice a versa is open to debate, and it does not seem to me that Jones advocates the hard core "conspiratorial" line that is attributed to him. My *hunch* is that there is more to the link than is reported. I'll add more later. As for harm, so true, all we can do is act in good faith, and use good judgement.

168 posted on 09/24/2001 11:55:42 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: a history buff
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Jones did not work for Notre Dame; he worked for St. Mary's, which is a separate institution and makes its own decisions about tenure. And Hesburgh hasn't been the president of ND for several years.

177 posted on 09/25/2001 7:52:47 AM PDT by independentmind
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