Kill Americans

For those of you who are wondering who we're fighting I compiled a short list of quotes after doing a yahoo.com search with the keywords "Kill Americans".

The day after two Israeli reservists were lynched in Ramallah, a Gaza preacher, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, in a sermon broadcast live on official Palestinian Authority television, verbally matched the lynch mob's brutality, calling on Muslims to slaughter all Jews:

They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the almighty said: 'Fight them; Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them ...'

Have no mercy on the Jews no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them – and those who stand by them ...

In their presentation, prosecutors painted bin Laden as outraged when US troops landed in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, because it is the home of two of Islam's holiest sites - Mecca and Medina. They also charged that bin Laden's group orchestrated the attacks against the US marines in Somalia in 1993 from a base in Nairobi, which was later used to plan the embassy attack.

During those years, Al-Qaeda was alleged to have grown up like "a multinational corporation," with offices around the world and business investments, along with camps and farms to train young men in bombmaking and firearms use.

"Al-Qaeda is what it is, a group dedicated to fighting Americans," said lead prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald on Tuesday during his concluding remarks. "Somalia proves the group was working against America as far back as then."

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them and those who stand by them they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine."

— Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, Member of the PA appointed "Fatwa Council"
and former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza.
Palestinian Authority television, October 14, 2000
The above quote can also be found at http://dunamai.com/articles/Israel/myths.htm, http://www.likud.nl/extr98.html and http://www.idf.il/english/announcements/2000/october/15-prop.stm

Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998
Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

.... The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

Bin Laden has been indicted in the bombings and allegedly has carried out a long-time global plot to kill Americans and wreck U.S. government property. He has said publicly that those are his goals. Four men said to have links to bin Laden currently are on trial in the bombing conspiracy case in New York federal court.

Finally and perhaps most challenging, extreme interpretations of Islam –many of which advocate violence--seem to have taken root and are spreading in both the Southeast Asia and the subcontinent. Violent Islamic movements in Southeast Asia include the Thailand-based Pattani United Liberation Organization the Philippine Moro Islamic Liberation Front, and the Abu Sayyaf Group which allegedly had connections to New York World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef.

Of particular concern for the United States are Islamic extremist groups in South Asia. Over the last several years, several Islamic groups in this region, to include Saudi terrorist Usama Bin Ladin who is currently hiding in Afghanistan, have threatened or attacked U.S. citizens.

Another defining characteristic of this breed of terrorist--and one that distinguishes them from most international terrorism of earlier years--is their motive. Much past terrorism was designed to acquire leverage, in order to bargain and to wring some concession from the other side. An airplane was hijacked, or hostages were taken, and then some specific demand was made--to release a jailed comrade, to be granted political recognition, or what have you. What people like Ramzi Yousef and his ilk are out to do is not to achieve leverage, but rather to inflict pain--to cause damage and to kill people as an act of hatred and revenge. The bombing of the World Trade Center did not achieve any particular political objective. Instead, it was an act of punishment against the United States and against Americans, whom the bombers hated because of US support to Israel and other perceived grievances.

In December 1999, the Clinton administration issued a worldwide terrorist alert to Americans overseas advising them to avoid crowded millennial celebrations. Bomb-toting Islamic militants under the banner of the Saudi terrorist Usama bin Laden had declared war, so Americans were to stay discreetly indoors...

Earlier this month Ahmed Ressam, a 34-year old Algerian national, testified that he was trained in a camp in Afghanistan by agents of Osama bin Laden. Al-'Owhali, who was convicted in May for his part in the attack on the Nairobi embassy, was also trained at the same camp according to the FBI. Ahmed Ressam was arrested while smuggling explosives across the U.S.-Canadian border in preparation for bombing the Los Angeles airport during millennium celebrations last year.

Bin Laden has already declared a jihad or holy war against the United States and has been called "the most dangerous man in the world" by the FBI. According to Al-'Owhali, bin Laden addressed the trainees at one camp and "impressed upon them the need to fight Americans".

In October 1998, a Manhattan grand jury handed up an indictment charging three alleged followers of Osama bin Laden Mohamed Saddiq Odeh, Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-Owhali and Wadih El Hage with conspiring with bin Laden to bomb the U.S. Embassies in East Africa, kill U.S. soldiers stationed in Saudi Arabia and Somalia, house and train terrorists and raise money to support their cause.

The problem is that those Muslims who oppose the radicals are themselves in danger and fear of becoming the target of the radicals in Islam.

If they really oppose the radicals, then there are many ways they could respond, from an anonymous phone call reporting where the radicals live, to a quiet knife in the back some dark night as the radical returns home

The radicals could not survive for long if there was a significant number of Muslims who knew who they were and were willing to do something about it

I'm afraid that the Muslim community can more realisticly be divided into "violent radicals" and "silent supporters", with the latter possibly disapproving of the tactics, but never enough to actually do something about it.

I'm not sure I completely understand the thrust of your post...

What I was trying to point out was that there were some (probably only a handful) of early Christians who desired martyrdom so much that they would disturb a pagan ritual so that they would be put to death by the authorities. Enough of them did this so that the Bishops spoke out against this form of suicide. Now we're asking the moderate Muslims to also speak out against suicide in the name of their religion.

Bump. Eliminate or neutralize the clerics, and you have cut off one leg of an ungainly beast.

Ideally, I'd like to see competing "branches" of Islam do the work for us, even if we have to create those branches ourselves. Foment discord and promote confusion at the religio-political level.

They continue with the illusion that we can reason with terrorists...

You're 5,000+ times right. But we do need to reason with the moderates and inform them that either they're with us or against us. There is to be no more supporting of these killers of our children and babies.

To all: Thanks for making this a very thoughtful and informational thread. I need to get back to work putting out those resumes.

that it had been pulled and banned by many U.S. bookstores as a result of Bush's speech on 20 Sept.

That might have been the official reason, but I think the real reason was more likely a combination of "politically correct" censorship by leftist bookstore employees, plus fear of harrassment by Muslim groups

One fundamental tenet of guerilla warfare is that when you have an opposing force which operates from sanctuary, you will eventually lose.

That depends upon the objectives that define a victory. Occupation need not be one of them. Destroy their ability to wage international war (i.e. terrorism), isolate them, and destroy the states that supply them.

So what is our most important target? The anti-American Muslim clerics. They're the ones who are doing the recruiting and indoctrination. As long as they can operate openly and without response, we have a problem. (Your post 13)

After studying the terrorist problem, you put the solution into a nutshell. How do you do it? :)

The more important point was "the money men behind the clerics".

This basicly reems to be a replay of the contest between the West and Communism. During the Cold War, we had people over here stirring things up, who turned out to have been financed from Moscow. (See the Venona intercepts). In retrospect, it should have been obvious: the agitators did not have day jobs. How were they paying their bills?

Similarly, what we have here are mullahs being financed from out of Saudi Arabia, who recruit stunted personalities into radical Islam and get them all pumped up about fighting the infidels. As long as we just concentrate on the terrorists, we get nowhere, as the mullahs will just produce five for every one we catch. And there will be an every-increasing number of mullahs in the US recruiting terrorists, as long as the Saudis have money to pay the bills. Meanwhile the Saudis can walk around with innocent looks on their faces, as they are not directly connected

It's like trying to get rid of weeds. If you hack off the stem, it will just grow back. You need to dig it out by the roots. The Saudi money people are the roots

There's evidence that people with advance knowledge of the WTC attack made millions of dollars from trading in the stock market (see Profits of Doom). The lack of mainstream coverage indicates that the people at the end of the money trail are too sensitive to touch. We need to touch them anyway

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