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It's not courage or bravery that motivates these terrorists.

They just take to the max (extreme) what they have been thought since children. The question then arises, "why then aren't all Muslims like that?"

They have good sense.

1 posted on 09/22/2001 8:44:49 AM PDT by PietroA
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The specific Fatwa issued by Osama Bin Laden ordering moslems worldwide to kill all Americans, military and civilian, specifically quotes and uses the koran's surya 9-5 as its justification.

This Fatwa, read personally by OBL and taped and played and read millions of times, constitutes the "standing orders" of all Jihadist in the world.

And it quotes directly from the koran.

2 posted on 09/22/2001 8:50:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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FYI

BIBLE vs. KORAN

7 posted on 09/22/2001 10:51:54 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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So let me get this straight. The reason they hate us is because of our materialistic love of wealth and our decadent immorality...and their reward for murdering us all would be...mansions, pearls and the promise of voracious sex for eternity?

Yeah, I get it.

8 posted on 09/22/2001 11:01:39 AM PDT by LisaFab
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I can understand their resolve then. Along about puberty I would have volunteered for a suicide mission, if I had been promised an eternity of what unlimited supplies of what filled my daydreams and starched my drawers in night dreams. Yep that is every young mans vision of paradice when their harmones are so active they sparkle in the dark all around their body.

These terrorists are even more dangerous than I thought.

10 posted on 09/22/2001 1:31:57 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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>The question then arises, "why then aren't all Muslims like that?" They have good sense.

I encourage everyone to look into this question as deeply as they can. It's very, very interesting in and of itself, plus it's very, very interesting in evaluating the place of religion in America's future -- I suspect Red Nation America and Blue Nation America would have different views on the question and what the future should be.

For instance, the practical background of Islamic Fundamentalism in the middle east gets real interesting around the middle 70s. Around that time, religious extremists in the Muslim world were few and far between and weren't very influential. They were there, but more or less ignored. Then, when the Shah came to power in Iran, two things happened. 1) Global culture tried to "modernize" Iranian culture. Sex and women's lib and all that crap became big issues. Many of the people hated that change to their culture. When they had no where else to turn, they turned to the only people who shared their hatred-- the Muslim clerics who were fundamentalists. 2) THEN the Islamic Fundamentalists rose rapidly in power and became a political force. They conquored Iran (and for the first time in a big way suicide fighters were used -- not against the West per se, but in the Iran-Iraq border wars) and the paradigm of Islam Revolt spread to Lebanon and then beyond.

It started in Iran because of the way the globalist tried to impose global culture on the Iranians. (For more of this discussion, check out The Coming War in the Middle East It's good stuff!) Mark W.

16 posted on 09/22/2001 2:52:21 PM PDT by MarkWar
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The question then arises, "why then aren't all Muslims like that?"

My question is why aren't all the hundreds and hundreds of millions of so-called "good" Muslims, who do not believe Allah wants them to slaughter thousands of innocent women and children, denouncing this perverse heresy from every rooftop in the Middle East -- instead of dancing in the street and handing out candy to children? Answer: There are no good Muslims.

18 posted on 09/22/2001 3:09:52 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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"And what reward does Paradise bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex. "

Hmmmm, this allah sounds like a sex maniac. This is bogus crap that appeals to the macho, sex starved male. Why is it with these charletons that SEX has to be the major prize? It really emphasizes what these males think with. No, not impressed.

20 posted on 09/22/2001 9:40:30 PM PDT by nmh
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Thanks fo posting this. I hope others read it in its entirety. It accurate.

"And what is it but Islam that unites the otherwise divided Arab world in an implacable and unreasoning hatred against Israel? No Arab map in the world admits Israel's existence. It is only Islam's claim that Ishmael, not Isaac, was the son of promise and that the Holy Land belongs to them which unites Arabs in the "fanatical" determination to destroy the Jews."

Yes, it's all about religion. U.S. supports the Israelis and hence they are evil too.

The Koran differs from the Bible. It falsely states that Ishmael is the proper heir and they were promised the land rather than the Jews, God's chosen people.

It is a violent religion but people don't want to hear it. It makes em feel bad. As stated, sucide is acceptable when it suits their agenda. I suppose allah has a double standard. On and on it goes.

26 posted on 09/22/2001 9:48:11 PM PDT by nmh
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All I can say about this pearl and 70 virgin stuff, now that it is all said and done, How do they like all that suffering and high fire burning their butts???
35 posted on 09/22/2001 10:11:14 PM PDT by GUIDO
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40 posted on 09/22/2001 10:14:58 PM PDT by Don Myers
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Plenty of soldiers in the Wehrmacht behaved in ways that approached being suicidal. The Christians among them may have believed in an afterlife, but the Nazis did not. I.e., people are capable of behaving with suicidal bravery even though they expect no personal reward, if the social norms and climate sufficiently encourage such behavior.

I don't know enough about Japanese beliefs. Did the kamikaze pilots expect a personal reward in an afterlife?

52 posted on 09/22/2001 10:40:23 PM PDT by aristeides (demosthenes@olg.com)
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"in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin."

70 sheets and 70 babes on one bed? Stacked up like pancakes? Does the Qu`ran say anything about a ladder? What if the prospective martyr is afraid of heights?

57 posted on 09/22/2001 10:54:34 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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Damn..there blows that theory! Here I thought they were just sexually frustrated extremist Islamics that were tired of not getting any because they didn't have Viagra available to them living in the training camps. Now I realize that was not them at all. Rather, it was the members of the Human Rights Commission of the United Nations. What was I thinking??
65 posted on 09/22/2001 11:19:41 PM PDT by MoJo2001
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They are first arab brothers, then moslems, and lastly so-called Americans. Their mindset is different from ours, don't espect loyalty cuz they won't give it.

Some idiot woman at work has an arab boyfriend who immigrated here at two who thinks OBL gives the people hope. She should travel to the middle east or watch "Beneath the Veil" to get a true picture of Islam. Islam is satanic in nature IMO.

66 posted on 09/22/2001 11:21:12 PM PDT by seeker41
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That's alright ... they can have their Jihad .... I'm just going to wipe bacon grease on all my bullets from now on.

Hollowpoints .... gotta fill them with SOMETHING (lard).

72 posted on 09/22/2001 11:38:31 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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"Outting" the lies of the PC police and the left on the home front.

Bullcookies. The tribal differences between the Saudi royal family, Uncle Bin's tribe, and those former tribes now represented by the Iraqi government have more to do with this than anything. This is a secular issue as it was 40 years ago, at the end of WWI, and for hundreds of years under the Ottoman Empire. Control of Mecca and Medina gives that government control of the Islamic political agenda.
73 posted on 09/22/2001 11:39:42 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex.

Ok, let's see, 70x70x70 is 343,000 ladies for each martyr. Each martyr has the appetite and strength of 100 men for sex. 343,000/100 equals 3,430. Now imagine having to satisfy 3,430 ladies. Either these guys are really cr*p at math, or their definition of paradise sounds like hell to me.
87 posted on 09/23/2001 12:23:11 AM PDT by Economist_MA
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"...They have good sense."

I usually try to see somebody else's point of view in order to find a reason for such zealousness.

The martyrs virtually all originate from a poor, underprivileged environment. IOW,the seeds of despair and jealousy are sown early on.

If any one of us had loved ones die, literally, or economically, we would use that as fuel for our hatred and disgust. I mean, look at the way we Americans are rallying around the flag today. The events of 9-11-01 have united us.

We need to kill them in such magnatude, in such an awesome display of might, these radical Islamic Muslims who control governments. There is absolutely no room for non-secular governments in this world. They must all die...the sooner the better.

And, may their 70 virgins be males.

119 posted on 09/23/2001 7:21:35 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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Our leaders purport to represent us yet they tell us lies about Islamic intent in order to save their own a$$e$ from a global conflagration.

Muslims are fighting our allies around the world yet we don't see a pattern here ?

If we need a world war to rid mankind of this cancer then let's do it now instead of passing the problem to our kids.


BUMP

124 posted on 09/23/2001 7:44:36 AM PDT by tm22721
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Since no one else on this thread has mentioned it, I would like to.

Dave Hunt is a major league idiot.

When I see Hunt's name attached to anything, I immediately know it's garbage.

Hunt's sole goal in life is to try to convince everyone else on the planet to believe his distorted vision of the truth. Hunt feels that everyone who doesn't believe exactly what he believes is the enemy. The Muslim's are simply the latest "non-believers" to get his focus.

Now, there's no doubt that the terrorists are motivated by their religion, but the solution to that problem is not conversion to Hunt's perverted brand of Christianity.

125 posted on 09/23/2001 7:48:15 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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