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You are as full of crap as Freaneau apparently. Jefferson was not a supporter of the constitution and would have undoubtably opposed it had he not been in France during the ratification. He never understood how it was to work and his States Rights idiocy blinded him as to what the functions of the different branches of government were. He did not understand the role of the Supreme Court and came up with some of the most contrived lunacy imaginable such as that each state could decide on the constitutionality of federal laws. A prescription for anarchy.

He was not a conservative in any sense of the term being a complete ally of the French revolutionaries including the Jacobins. He and Freaneau contrived with all their might to involve the U.S. in a war with England on the side of the French while at the same time working to destroy the U.S. military.

During the American revolution he was essentially useless and his military ineptness led to his hatred of military men. His presidency was a disaster with the exception of the Louisiana purchase which was essentially thrown in his lap by Napoleon as payment for past favors and the treachery he had worked while in Washington's administration. Jefferson is the most overrated president in our history.

He was the perfect democrat: a sneaky liar, afraid of confrontation, riding to power on the back of the mob, a total hypocrit,anti-military, working against the constitution, and an impractical dreamer without a clue as to the role of the U.S. in the world or the dangers surrounding it.

I will address the rest of your nonsense tomorrow. NOw bed calls.

What on earth have you been reading? U.S. History by Jesse Jackson? Don't you think it a bit peculiar that for 200 years Jefferson's achievements were admired by our nation, only to be trashed by modern-day revisionists. In 1961, Jefferson was categorized in encyclopedias as a man who spent his entire adult life fighting against a tradition: the tradition that governments passed laws to protect the people from themselves (e.g., Nanny Statism). Now he is being ingrained into the memory of our children as the father of the illegitimate children of one of his slaves, and, of course, as the instigator of various and sundry unspeakable acts against our nation and Constitution (by those, who, like you, always provide veiled apologia, such as "he did give us the Louisana Purchase"). Doubling the size of our nation carries little weight in the discourse of the anti-Jeffersons

Yet, in all your eloquence, you did not even hint of the fact that one of Jefferson's first acts as President was to restore freedom of the press so abruptly taken away by the Federalists via their insane Sedition Act. So who was the most ardent supporter of the Constitution in those days? The Federalists or Jeffersonians? It was not even close, and the people recognized it. The people, under the Jeffersonians, put the final nails in the coffin of the Federalist Party. Hell, even John Adams blamed the Federalists (his own party) for his political demise, and he was much closer to the 'front' than you, or I, will ever be.

But I do understand where you are coming from: after 16 years of two 'terrible' Jeffersonian Republicans as president (e.g., Jefferson and Madison), our nation was ready for change. The people elected James Monroe (What? Another Jeffersonian Republican?) as the 5th President of the United States.

Was Jefferson perfect? Not a chance. None of our Founders were perfect. But all were great men, serving our revolution and young nation in some pretty tough times. Even Alex Hamilton had many good days, and he left us brilliant and inspirational political literature and quotes.

But if your mission in life is to trash our Founders, that is your right (thanks to our Founders -- no thanks to you or modern day politicos). But don't expect me, or others, to roll over and play dead.