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To: f.Christian
Norm, if the stakes weren't our very existence, it would be a clever piece. Please see the thread I posted today, It is Time to Declare War. You know, Bush, as always, made excellent statements immediately after the crisis. Followed by his Defense establishment, Wolfowitz and Rumsfield. Then you could see Powell working away day after day. Somehow the language of force got watered down. Apologies were made. A war declaration wasn't asked for. I agree with you that a powerful offense smashing the aggressors would have staved off the next round of terror. So now we are passively waiting for the next move. Ironically, we the citizens are being given our own national police force for homeland defense. Will it protect us from the terrorists or protect the government from us?
17 posted on 09/21/2001 12:30:45 AM PDT by The Westerner
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To: The Westerner, rebeckie
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18 posted on 09/21/2001 9:43:53 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: The Westerner, Victoria Delsoul, Travis McGee, Iron Jack, Jim Robinson, BKO
There is a glaring contradiction and a theme of naivete in your comments:

So now we are passively waiting for the next move. Ironically, we the citizens are being given our own national police force for homeland defense. Will it protect us from the terrorists or protect the government from us? Posted by The Westerner

A force for home defense is the antithesis of waiting passively for the next move! Has it not yet sunk in that when we strike with our military overseas, the terrorists will activate a cell of fanatics to respond here in our homeland? Do you know where the cells are? Where they will strike? Have you a national network with which to seek out and apprehend these fanatical murderers? ... I didn't think so. But you imply the formation of a home defense system with which seeking, protecting, and apprehending may be accomplished, under the leadership of a central organization, is more to be feared than the unseen terrorists!

Listen up, those of you of a liberatarian mindset: we the people are the sovereigns. When we agree to have public roads and parks, we cede some of our sovereignty to a central authority for oversight. But with free elections, we the people retain longrange control over that central authority. History tells us that many restrictive measures were instituted during WWII, but mostly we have seen the erasing of those measures. I don't fear the restrictive measures as much as I fear the laxity of the people, that the sovereign responsibility will not be exercised and our stewardship met by voting in large numbers and with interest in the maintenance of our sovereignty when the crisis and urgency is over.

If an American wants to focus on what needs attending by we the people, look at the tendency to elect liars and thieves, at the willingness of we the people to allow the sycophantic media to misdirect and outright lie to US when the truth is available but squelched, of greedy measures like clinton and gore utilized for their party's monetary gain but which left US more vulnerable than ever to the horrendous acts of terrorists!

Vigilance isn't something a sovereign people can exercise for intermittent times yet ignore for longer periods of self-indulgence. You want to fear the INS or BATF, get active in elections EVERY time the ballot boxes open, to establish responsive, honest representatives with fidelity to we the people instead of their damn leftist parties.

Was security lax at airports? Sure it was; the people running the airlines had figured out how to buy off the gore loyalty to the people that would have cost the airlines money if they had been instituting stiffer security measures. Are the terrorists enemies of our nation more capable of hiding their intentions from our intel? Sure they are; the clinton administration sold technology to anyone able to stuff the election coffers of the criminal enterprise democrat party. And we can cite examples of pubby complicity also ... it is the pubby Senate that wouldn't exercise their responsibility to have the whole damn dirty truth out in the open during a sham impeachment trial that kept the criminal deviant clinton in office!

You want to suspect? Suspect the American people of becoming too damn distracted with the bread and circuses to exercise their duty as the sovereigns of this nation, in electing honest, responsive, patriotic governmental representatives! Tough words? Damn right! But I tell the truth. We are the ones ultimately responsible for our weakened, inattentive state of existence. Now we must take strong measures, but we must have better memories, to continue our vigilance when the storm passes, and we exercise that vigilance through free elections ... or we will fall prey again to PC socialists who will sell our sovereignty like al gore, biill clinton, trent lott, dick gephardt, hillary clinton, and a host of others have done right before our glazed-over eyes.

You ask, "Will it protect us from the terrorists or protect the government from us?" I tell you of a truth, the government cannot avoid our oversight, if we will but exercise it openly ... like when the voting booths open up for the sovereigns to express their will and the political campaigns leading up to the elections. In a Republic, we are the sovereigns, if we can keep it.

19 posted on 09/21/2001 10:36:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: The Westerner
a powerful offense smashing the aggressors would have staved off the next round of terror. So now we are passively waiting for the next move.

I want to nuke them but not because I believe that would have prevented the next round of terror. I believe that next round is inevitable and has already been sent in motion and probably could not be recalled by Bin Laden dead or alive.

Our message is for the next group or generation of terrorists. The message should be:

We are ruthless and vicious. We will kill you, your families, all your relatives, anything you value or want, any states that supported you, any sub-state groups that supported you, etc. at a time and method of our choosing and without warning. While you use rhetoric that accuses us of imperialism you do not know what imperialism is. Any more of this stuff and we will become a true imperial power ruling the Arab world with an iron fist and a ruthlessness that will make the old empires seem like warm fuzzy places.

That will end Arab terrorism for generations (given, of course an equally ruthless immigration policy) with a little bonus of cheap oil.

If anybody has any better ideas I am always open to suggestions. :-)
68 posted on 10/06/2001 9:30:53 AM PDT by cgbg
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