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To: ExiledInTaiwan
You wouldn't believe how confused my family is when we get together. All "Zionists".

Half the family is in the group that controls the US and half the family in the group that sells the US to the Chinese. And how we fight over the white fish. It's not a pretty sight.

80 posted on 09/20/2001 9:28:45 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
Half the family is in the group that controls the US and half the family in the group that sells the US to the Chinese.

No. MY family controls the US. You can have China.

84 posted on 09/20/2001 9:40:40 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Sabramerican
You wouldn't believe how confused my family is when we get together. All "Zionists". Half the family is in the group that controls the US and half the family in the group that sells the US to the Chinese. And how we fight over the white fish. It's not a pretty sight. Yes, we already knew. Just don't say anything for fear of being labelled antisemitic.

From Foreign Correspondent (Eric Margolis):

"The transfer of billions worth of advanced US military technology to Israel, under the innocuous title of `Technical Data Packages,' was arranged by Israel's American supporters, beginning in 1970. This massive infusion of secret US weapons and electronics technology- the largest ever to another nation - allowed Israel to develop state-of-the art military industries that exported some $1.5-2 billion annually (40% of its total exports by the late 1980's), and which became the nation's largest employer. Israel is now the world's sixth largest arms exporter. In some cases, Israel improved on US weapons and electronics systems.

Pentagon sources charge Israel `backdoored' US technology to China for the Patriot AA missile, other surface-to-air missiles; the PL-8 air-to-air missiles; C-802 anti-ship missiles; advanced composite tank armor and tank guns; aircraft avionics and ground radar systems; and the J-10 fighter, which is based on secret US technology used in Israel's cancelled `Lavi' fighter. Israel denies these charges. A Pentagon investigation of the Patriot sale, cleared Israel. Critics charged it did so under intense political pressure from Israel's supporters."
Some corroboration from asianstudies.org (Heritage's Wortzel):
China is acquiring a number of weapon and command and control systems that could extend the range of its own missiles and aircraft, and permit it to project power at greater ranges from its shores. In some cases, the assistance is coming from American allies, or from major recipients of financial aid from the United States. Israel is believed to have aided in the ongoing development of China's Jian-10 (F-10) fighter aircraft, which is expected to carry versions of Israeli missiles. The United States intelligence community suspects that avionics components, advanced composite materials, and flight control specifications related to the abandoned Israeli Lavi aircraft program, and derived from the U.S. F-16 aircraft were sold to China by Israeli Aircraft Industries. If this aircraft is eventually fielded by China it will give the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force an indigenously produced modern fighter aircraft. The Jian-10, like its earlier model Chinese fighters, would carry missiles incorporating technology and assistance from such countries as France and Italy.

In 1999, Israeli Aircraft Industries was scheduled to conclude the sale of the Phalcon airborne early warning radar systems to China. The radar systems were to be fitted by Israel on Russian IL-76 (Candid) transport aircraft, providing China with a relatively advanced airborne early warning (AWACS) capability. With these systems, China would have been better equipped to detect aircraft at a greater distance, and, more seriously, to coordinate the actions of numerous fighter aircraft in air combat. The AWACS radar, combined with other command and control and data exchange systems, would also have helped the PLA Air Force extend the range of its cruise missiles and air-to-air missiles. Bowing to intense U.S. diplomatic pressure, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak cancelled the impending sale on July 13, 2000. Some members of the United States Congress threatened to cut American economic aid to Israel in retaliation for the radar sale to China because the acquisition of these particular systems had the potential to change the balance of power in the Asia-Pacific. China will probably acquire a less capable system from Russia, also a major recipient of major American, and Japanese financial assistance.

In the case of the AWACS radar systems, the other country that sought to make the sale to China was Great Britain, perhaps America's closest European ally. Such a system of command, control and early warning, and the high-tech weapons it directs, will certainly be used to deter attempts by the United States to maintain the peace and stability of the Western Pacific should China carry out its threats to use force against Taiwan. The systems could also be used to affect the control of the islands and sea lines of communication in the South China or East China Seas.
Israel has an industry based on spying and espionage agaist us (and many others). The Pollard case still hinges around U.S. bureaucrats (our unlikely heroes) fighting to keep Israel from retrieving its espionage agent.
89 posted on 09/20/2001 9:58:04 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Sabramerican ExiledInTaiwan
First you say:

The United States however continues to sell to China and may even share, with them, missile defense technology-much of which is being developed by the Arrow project in Israel.

Which is a statement wholly without basis, apparently your opinion (maybe something you heard on DEBKA, I guess).

But when ExiledInTaiwan says:

The U.S. Arms Export Control Act (AECA) specifically states that no country may sell U.S. "defense articles or service" to a third country (known as unauthorized retransfer) without U.S. approval. From 1975 to 1995, 17 reports went to Congress concerning so-called end-use violations, seven of which pertained to Israel.

Which is a statement that is thoroughly corroborated by the public record, you make some flippant remark about "Zionists taking over the world."

Why don't you get serious? Just tell us that in your world-view: "Everything Israel does: Good and Justifiable no matter what."

Israel is no solid friend of the United States (which may explain your apparent schizophrenia resulting in your oxymoronic screen-name--either your a "Sabra" or your an American, you can't be both). They do what is in THEIR interest, and if a U.S. spy ship gets in the way, shoot it to pieces and kill American sailors; if it is advantageous to steal U.S. secrets and sell them on the open market, fine. ANYTHING Israel wants to do, FINE.

I long for the day when Israel is cut loose from the United States' foreign aid chow line. Friends like them we DON'T need.

99 posted on 09/20/2001 10:24:09 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Sabramerican
Half the family is in the group that controls the US and half the family in the group that sells the US to the Chinese. And how we fight over the white fish. It's not a pretty sight.

LOL

But what's the significance of the white fish? I'm not a New Yorker.

My family is all Catholic; half are holding inquisitions and the other half are selling passes to heaven! Oh, my mother used to be a Lutheran, but we don't talk about that!

120 posted on 09/20/2001 1:42:06 PM PDT by ExiledInTaiwan
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