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To: Yehuda, GeorgeW.Bush, The Documentary Lady, jauntybeesting,IIIbay
the criticism re who Israel sells to is overblown and way out of proportion

I think not! "…the most formidable weapon in China's military arsenal." referring to the Lavi fighter-bomber, was given to China by Israel!

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0196/9601012.html

The US armed Iraq, it armed the afghans - where's the proportionality of whining and screaming?

You take things out of context, in time and history. You fail to recall the US armed Afghanistan when it was defending itself from a more powerful Russia, at that time.

Personally I think that the Israeli attempt to sell the AWACS to China was stupid, but Israel would certainly have given the US the codes if/when US went to war with chicoms,

You have a very simplistic view of the world. If a balance of power is not maintained in the Taiwan / China region, China will be emboldened to attack Taiwan. The US would probably defend Taiwan. Leading to the largest conflagration of the last half century! The way to prevent this is not tip the scale in China's favor. Depending on Israel kindly supplying us with the codes after the war had already started, would be a bit late. Proper diplomacy and balance of power should be a priority, not using codes after a war has started.

And friend, maybe in commie-prop school they didn't tell you that Regardless of the source, it's a fact doesn't work - we learn how to write book-reports with accurate sources in high-school here...

You didn't and cannot counter my statement and it still stands as a fact!

You should have gone beyond high school! They teach in graduate school to know your enemy; also to use multiple sources for information!

IF you are such a patriot, you should be kissing every Jewish RW *ss in the US and Israel, thanking her for preventing Saddam from EVEN HAVING the nuclear threat against US troops in desert storm.

Sir you seem not to be aware that 90% of US problems in the Middle East stem from Israel.

But that doesn't fit your agenda - your game is not to protect the US, it is to tear down Israel.

I assure you I have no game. If I could verbalize a goal, it would be for the US to follow its own interests and for Americans to have a more informed and balanced view of the people of the Middle East. Given the extreme past bias of the American media, I have little hope of this happening. But you have already expressed the same thing

ALL allies have to act in their own interests

I am just doing the same, with some added perspective from living in Asia ten years, seeing Chinese culture. I can assure you if Bush continues to keep a tight alliance while hunting terrorists, it should not escalate to a larger affair, but if China and Taiwan tango, it will be a major event!!!

the Israeli's arent perfect, but they are better than ANY OTHER ALLY IN THE MIDEAST.

I don't deny they are an ally, but if they do not watch the bigger picture here, it will get out of hand quick! China is waiting and watching. Their agressive acquisition of high tech weaponry is only matched by their aggressive behavior with neighboring countries. They are in conflict with nearly every bordering country: India, Tibet, Russia, Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, and the Muslim countries to the west.

Jews have been doing mea culpa for their deluded relatives who fell into communism,

I would not call the New York Times lying about this pogrom in the Ukraine a form of mea culpa!!! I would not call programs like Sixty Minutes doing a segment on anti-semitism in the Ukraine, without giving some background on the root cause, a mea culpa! I have seen dozens of movies and TV shows on the holocaust but not a one on this crime in the Ukraine! I don't call this a mea culpa.

Ukrainians who hated communists helped the nazi's slaughter hundreds of thousands of NON_COMMUNIST ghetto yids INCLUDING MY RELATIVES.

I'm sorry about your relatives. But when you mention the numbers,don't you think they pale in comparison to the upwards of nine million killed under the leadership of a Jew, Lazar Kaganovitch in 1932-3.

You figure out the proportionality, I won't.

Well nine million to a hundred thousand is a proportion of 90 to 1.

... collaborating with Ho chi Minh when we lost 50,000 - because it doesn't fit in your scheme

Well there you go again; lets look at the proportions, as you suggest: nine million to fifty thousand, why that's 180 to 1. Guess it's because the numbers are so disproportionate! Could it be? Also it's not very germane to the current discussion or current problems facing the US. But I know your high school taught you to focus, didn't they?

To paraphrase a previous poster, "Some people take "never forget" very VERY VERY seriously..."

I know this quite well; some of my Jewish friends, in the US, refuse to buy any product produced in Germany.

- Israel does just that - to make sure Jews will NEVER AGAIN have to depend on the tender mercies of “friends” like you, Jews have their own state, their own defense.

Lets see, how many billions of dollars has the US given to Israel? How much weaponry has the US transferred to Israel? Check the records, Israel is not so independent after all.

Trans - arabs have vowed and CONTINUOUSLY VOW to destroy Israel. Unlike the Brits and US in WW2, who ignored Mein Kampf, unlike the US over the last decade who ignored islamic threats of Jihad, the Israeli’s are taking the trans-arabs at their word.

I'd say Israel has created a lot of this problem. Possibly because people have the sentiment you have expressed as follows:

I am for moving all trans-arabs out of Israel. Peacefully -with MY money

A Nice sentiment, kick hundreds of thousands of people off their land. Which happened to be their land and under their peoples' control for 1,400 years. I doubt they would react peacefully to your proposal. Any breathing, living, feeling human being would not. Why don't you see this?

Like many RW Jews in US and Israel, I am for and have been advocating vigorous self defense and preemptive acts against terrorists entities

Your lucky the Palestinians didn't have the wherewithwall to make preemptive, self defensive attacks in 1920 when there were 500,000 Arabs and only 89,000 Jews. But you see, for you to get this, your high school would have had to teach you to look at things from another perspective.

If Bush and Powell do not follow through as per last nights speech, we will do it again for the west, as we did it to the Iraqi's reactor. Any friend of Islamo-terrorists best steer clear.

Yer sir, Israel has sure shown us the shining path to maintaining peace and stability in a region. They have made such good friends with the neighbors.

I suggest you go back and study history. Pay particular attention to how the thirteen colonies formed a union from some very different people., very different religious beliefs, at a time when religious persecution was rampant in Europe. It worked. The example is there. What is Israel's problem?

148 posted on 09/23/2001 7:16:36 AM PDT by ExiledInTaiwan
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To: ExiledInTaiwan
Previous link had problem. Try this http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0196/9601012.html
149 posted on 09/23/2001 7:29:54 AM PDT by ExiledInTaiwan
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