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So you're claim is that you can choose not to sin? Okay, that seems a lot better.

See I knew UB didnt have any dummies? *grin*..

We believe that when temptation confronts us the Grace of God allows us to refuse to sin (our choice here).. GEEEEEEEEE that seems like a hard concept to some..

We believe that the Holy Spirit is like a fire alarm..He rings bells to warn you..

The Grace of God can keep us,from sin,and convict us when we do sin..he brings us to repentance..and to our knees..

Now if you could explain this to Woody (who has had this explained to him many times)I would appreciate it!

It is good to know that as a good Calvinist you have sex with every woman (or man) that attracts your attention,that when you see a possible way to cheat on your income tax you do..that you feel free to steal from your employer by cheating on your work hours.. Interesting that sin so rules you that you are incapable of resisting sin.. Hey but the elect can sin when they want to right?.Holiness is not a requirement ,is that what you are saying Woody? The grace of God is of no effect in your life? Woody never said this. No Calvinist ever says this.

On the other hand, we can produce a quote of you saying that you no longer sin. Now, in the interim, both you and Don, Holiness believers, say that your idea of sinless perfection is that you can be considered sinless between the times you have sinned and repented. This is actually no different than a Calvinist.

Unlike Don, however, you seem to make some distinction that any sin once repented and then repeated will damn you. Do you believe this? Will a second lie, having repented the first, damn a Nazarene? Will a second lust of the heart or covetousness, after repenting the first, damn a Nazarene?

This is what you imply over and over somehow distinguishes you from a Calvinist who you falsely claims uses his eternal security as a license to sin.

The Nazarene doctrine regarding sinlessness teaches that a second act of grace, undocumented in the Bible, is what gains a Nazarene the ability to sin once, repent and then never to repeat that sin. When you read Romans 7, do you think that Paul experienced what you are claiming any true Christian experienced, a power to resist all sins after repenting them only once? I don't think that that is what Paul was telling us.

The scripture teaches, as has been pointed out to you many times, that we can never be free of sin in this life. Wesley himself denied being sinless or sinlessly perfect as his own published letters to a London newspaper have proved. You know I cited him and posted his letter. So how can you be sinless when Wesley himself denied that he was and never made any such claim for anyone he knew? I don't think that in the end Wesley truly believed what you believe. I think he found it impossible to practice. I think he discovered that Whitefield and the Calvinists were right in at least this matter.

Which remark of Woody's or doc's actually set you off on these unfounded accusations again?