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Thanks for that clear-up, mate, appreciate it. I'm just as patriotic about my country as any American is of his/her. No offense to anyone. Yarddog, you're right about the warship thing, but the thing is, and you probably won't really care, that the ships in question, were nucular powered or capable, and at this stage NZ was at it's height of anti-nucular policies. Surely Americans can't pass a judgement on Kiwis just for these events considering the sacrifices we have made for the world's trust!? I think that by the time this war has even kicked in fully, past ANZUS relations will be inconsiquential as America realises that NZ is with them just as they have been before. p.s Please do not make comments about international aid handouts(I can't remember who made this comment) as if America must be apeased to live a civilised life. Because it is offensive, and the US is NOT the hand the feeds the rest of the world.