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To: az4vlad
The "Ditch-Israel" argument displays a fascinating grasp of the dynamics of history and human interaction.

Terrorist enemies of Israel commit humiliating atrocities on our soil because we support Israel. We nervously rush to dump Israel lest they do it again. The "Ditch-Israel" crowd assumes that at that point, having just proved they can batter and intimidate the most powerful country on earth into giving them what they want, the terrorists will politely go home, slaughter Jews like good little psychotics, and never, ever bother us again.

Right. That's sure the way it works on the playground, for example. Fawn on the bully who has just slugged you, and he never comes back to hit you again, just for the fun of it. Oh no.

Others say that they do indeed want to punish the terrorists, eliminate Osama bin Laden, etc., and only then ditch Israel. What a good idea! Get the radical Islamists really, really in a frenzy by killing the Mufti, and then act weak and craven.

Kipling has many uses when history gets serious. Those posters who are serious about this, not just anti-Semitic disruptors, ought to ponder his poem "Danegeld."

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:—
"We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:—
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to says:—

"We never pay any one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"

Think about it.

143 posted on 09/19/2001 4:01:58 PM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: Southern Federalist

Journal Entry: September 18

From these ashes...
Luis Gonzalez
September 18, 2001 

Click on America

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Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!

Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.

Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."

And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!


147 posted on 09/19/2001 4:05:48 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Southern Federalist
Kipling has many uses when history gets serious.

Do you think?

I myself have never kippled. ;-)

148 posted on 09/19/2001 4:06:36 PM PDT by TomB
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To: Southern Federalist
THANKYOU for putting it so correctly, but I fear our anti-Israel apologist would rather knuckle under to the bully.
166 posted on 09/19/2001 5:40:29 PM PDT by marxwas a loser
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