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It's All Morally Relative - End Support for Israel
9/29/01 | R. Alexander

Posted on 09/19/2001 7:57:36 AM PDT by az4vlad

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To: sinkspur
"Nobody gives a damn about the Palestinians any more, and Arafat knows that."

Dead-on right. Bingo.

When, immediately following the attacks, it was reported how shaken Arafat and his senior staff were as they watched on TV, I told numerous folks that his shock and horror were probably quite genuine..................but not because of a bunch of dead Americans and destroyed buildings. He could give a s**t.

No, Arafat was visibly and deeply shaken because of what flashed through his brain in an instant as he saw these attacks: The absolute end of ANY hopes of EVER having a Palestinian state. It just ain't..............gonna.............happen.

That also means that he'll be marginalized, and it also means that the U.S will be soon taking a proctoscope to him and his cronies in ways he NEVER expected.

That's why the shaking in his bernoose; that's why the P.R. stunt of giving blood, etc. He's scared spitless.

21 posted on 09/19/2001 9:09:51 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: sinkspur
Bin Laden has made us all Israelis now. Nobody gives a damn about the Palestinians any more, and Arafat knows that.

Nobody? Hmm.. seems most of the Arab world has been demanding equitable treatment for them for some time. And, you know come to think of it, they are STILL tying their support of our coalition into Israel and Palestine.

Just cause you don't care doesn't mean that THEY don't..

22 posted on 09/19/2001 9:12:13 AM PDT by ObjetD'art
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To: ObjetD'art
Hmm.. seems most of the Arab world has been demanding equitable treatment for them for some time.

Maybe I should have said "nobody from any civilized country gives a damn about the Palestinians."

"Equitable treatment" from the Arabs means the destruction of Israel.

The PLO pointedly will not remove that statement from their charter.

23 posted on 09/19/2001 9:16:24 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Change that 95% to 99% and we're in total agreement. If we helped drive Israel into the sea, there would NEVER be peace in the middle east. Those who hated Israel would be off to focus on another entity. Guess who that would be.
24 posted on 09/19/2001 9:22:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: az4vlad
What angers Middle Eastern terrorists most about U.S. involvement in the Middle East is U.S. support of Israel.

Not so. What angers them most is the deployment of American troops on Muslim (Saudi) soil. This 'defilement' of their holy land is really what started the whole Osama ball rolling...

25 posted on 09/19/2001 9:23:37 AM PDT by MisplacedVirginian
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To: littlehammer
Yes, the fundamentalist Christians have been fooled by the Zionist government in Israel and the Israelis have been very good at playing that hand. However, the Catholic Church has maintained that the Israelis must deal justly with the Palestinians and little research will show that they haven't.

Q: Who had been living in the land from the time of Abraham to the time of Jesus (Titus/diaspora)?

A: The JEWS.

Q: Who has title to the land?

A: Genesis 15:7- And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it...

"18": In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

According to the BIBLE Abraham has "TITLE" to the land. And as far as history (not the revisionist Islamic/Nazi kind) they have occupied it all that time with few exceptions (400 years in Egypt after Joseph, Romans drove them out in 70 A.D.)

BTW...In places where the law is respected (CIVILIZED COUNTRIES), TITLE DEED is HONORED.

26 posted on 09/19/2001 9:24:19 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: az4vlad
What angers Middle Eastern terrorists most about U.S. involvement in the Middle East is U.S. support of Israel.

Not so. What angers them most is the deployment of American troops on Muslim (Saudi) soil. This 'defilement' of their holy land is really what started the whole Osama ball rolling...

27 posted on 09/19/2001 9:25:24 AM PDT by MisplacedVirginian
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To: az4vlad
Terrorist supporters like these are popping up in the Liberal Media and some communist college Profs. az4vlad, I suspect you support this crap or you would not have posted. USA will never drop nor should they, there support of Israel.
28 posted on 09/19/2001 9:25:53 AM PDT by Texbob
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To: DoughtyOne
Israel is just the front line of civilization that has to put up with this @%!$# all the time.
29 posted on 09/19/2001 9:26:13 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: az4vlad
It's All Morally Relative - End Support for Israel

Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's just stand back and let the Jews be exterminated by the PLO. In fact, we could have prevented the attacks in New York and D.C. by simply staying out of WWII. What were we thinking?

30 posted on 09/19/2001 9:28:56 AM PDT by SunStar
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To: Impeach the Boy
Totally accurate!...As long as I've got mine ( and hopefully yours!) who really gives a flip what happens.

On to the next hemp fest, nothing to see here.

31 posted on 09/19/2001 9:29:33 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: az4vlad
Didn't the Founding Fathers have something to say about foreign entanglements? We are currently very much entangled with Israel. The proof of the Founders wisdom is clearly visible in NYC's radically reshaped skyline.
33 posted on 09/19/2001 9:31:56 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: MisplacedVirginian
Not so. What angers them most is the deployment of American troops on Muslim (Saudi) soil. This 'defilement' of their holy land is really what started the whole Osama ball rolling...

Oh...glad you cleared that up. And all this time I just thought Saddam was still ticked about the gulf war! LOL

Gosh, I guess according to your logic any :"American infidel" standing on islamic soil is defiling it and deserves to be incinerated.

35 posted on 09/19/2001 9:35:55 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: Yardstick
The Founding Fathers didn't need gasoline.
36 posted on 09/19/2001 9:36:48 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: TheDon
Suggesting that there are reasons why people around the world hate the US is not the same as blaming the victim, nor is it the same as suggesting that we should not take action against the perpetrators.

Aren't you curious _why_ so many people want to kill us? If we can identify those reasons, we can start taking action to prevent future attacks, by dealing with those resons.

37 posted on 09/19/2001 9:37:20 AM PDT by patlaw_guy
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
Remember the WTC? Get a clue! This is WAR. Israel is our ally. DID ISRAEL FLY INTO THE WTC? Don't let your obvious hatred of Israel eclispe your reason!
38 posted on 09/19/2001 9:42:03 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: sinkspur
I don't usually agree with you Sink but I do on this point. (maybe I need a rest)
Many people argue that if we had simply stayed out of the worlds business we would not be in the situation we are in today; these terrorists are reacting to our "imperialism." If we were to retreat, they would leave us alone and the terrorist threat would go away...yadda yadda yadda.

But I don't see it that way at all. If we retreat we will get more of the same and I believe this for precisely the reason you state: Israel gave the Pallies everything but the kitchen sink and they turned it down. Why? Because the goal is Israel's destruction. Their goal is not to live alone in peace and be sovereign this time, it is to destroy America.

39 posted on 09/19/2001 9:44:17 AM PDT by diotima
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To: patlaw_guy
Are you suggesting conversion by the sword? Or are you a gutless coward with a blame the victim mentality
40 posted on 09/19/2001 9:45:48 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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