It's All Morally Relative - End Support for Israel

9/29/01 | R. Alexander

[F.J. Mitchell]

Five thousand Americans died last week because we have allowed a militant enviromental fanatic minority force this country to abandon all sources of energy on our own land and become dependent upon mentally unstable middle eastern tyrants for our oil. Because we had to go begging to them we kissed their butts and allowed them to screw over everyone in the world who were not Muslims. They now believe they can do as they please and we will just take it.

Israel has a right to exist and there are not enough of your ilk in the world to cause the USA to desert them. The Muslim militant terrorists have been waging a war against every non-Muslim on earth, their intent is to destroy everyone who does not bow to Allah.

Cowards are looking for excuses, but the excuses just reveal their chicken blood.

[The Green Goblin]

Israel has a right to exist and there are not enough of your ilk in the world to cause the USA to desert them

Israel has a right to exist, but they do not have a right to my tax dollars, and they do not have a right to drag innocent American civilians into their conflict. When American civilians begin dying on a regular basis in terrorist events across the nation, the public outcry will become so great that America will drop israel like a hot potatoe. You and your ilk have no regard for the Constitution which, if followed would have prevented us from getting into this mess in the first place.

[Southern Federalist]

The "Ditch-Israel" argument displays a fascinating grasp of the dynamics of history and human interaction.

Terrorist enemies of Israel commit humiliating atrocities on our soil because we support Israel. We nervously rush to dump Israel lest they do it again. The "Ditch-Israel" crowd assumes that at that point, having just proved they can batter and intimidate the most powerful country on earth into giving them what they want, the terrorists will politely go home, slaughter Jews like good little psychotics, and never, ever bother us again.

Right. That's sure the way it works on the playground, for example. Fawn on the bully who has just slugged you, and he never comes back to hit you again, just for the fun of it. Oh no.

Others say that they do indeed want to punish the terrorists, eliminate Osama bin Laden, etc., and only then ditch Israel. What a good idea! Get the radical Islamists really, really in a frenzy by killing the Mufti, and then act weak and craven.

Kipling has many uses when history gets serious. Those posters who are serious about this, not just anti-Semitic disruptors, ought to ponder his poem "Danegeld."

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:—
"We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:—
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to says:—

"We never pay any one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"

Think about it.

[TomB]

Interesting that none of those "other" texts were actually provided as the previous one was.

Of course, when backed into a corner, deny the evidence.

So ask yourself, if this conflict is really between Arab and Israeli, Muslim vs. Jew, why have all the recent bombings by the Palestinians happened against discos, malls, pizza shops, i.e. symbols of Western Civilization, and not synagogues and other religious symbols?

[Florida native]

Add to those verses: Genesis 12:1-3...I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you.

Also, as you say the land from the River of Egypt to the Cedars of Lebanon to the River Euphrates belongs and was by covenant with God, given to Abram (Abraham) and his seed, which would number as grains of sand.

The reason for the dispersal of the children of Israel was due to their disobedience for failing to take the land as God commanded them and for their reluctance to avoid pagan people. Read Isaiah 48.

Throughout history, secular and sacred, any nation who crossed the children of Israel lost their empires. The last one was...England. Not long after they reneged on the Balfour Declaration in 1947, England began to gradually lose most of her colonies, and the once mighty empire became an island.

Do you remember the UN vote last fall to condemn Israel? For the first time ever we voted with the majority and condemned Israel. Thank you Ms. Albright. We don't need to be cursed, we need God's blessings, now more than ever.

Israel has always been able to defeat her enemies, as small as she is, through divine protection and intervention. And that will ever be, so says the Bible.

May God always bless the USA, and may we never again go against Israel.

[DallasDeb]

#94: First, where did I call you an anti-semite? I called you an Arab [as in sympathizer].

Why have the Jews been disliked in whatever country they lived in?

Do you really want to know? You probably won't believe it if you have no Judeo/Christian faith. It requires a belief in God and Satan.

You've heard it before that the Jews are God's Chosen People. They are. And because they are, Satan, who wants to be god, tries constantly to subvert God's plans and pervert God's intentions. Satan knew the Christ was to be born, so he (through Herod) tried to kill all the young males. He didn't succeed. Satan also had a hand in the death of Yeshua; but he didn't succeed there, either, because Christ rose from the dead. Throughout the ages, Satan has tried to destroy the Jews, the Chosen People. God still has a covenant to fulfill with the Jews. If Satan can destroy them which, in his pride he believes he can do and keeps trying to accomplish, then he will have subverted God's plan.

See, I told you you wouldn't believe it. But consider this: why WOULD "every country" hate the Jews? They have done NOTHING to deserve hatred by "all" of mankind. Doesn't that prove that there is some underlying satanic influence? Now the US is under attack, possibly because of our alliance with Israel. So, now Satan's presence is evident in the US. There will be more attacks. It will continue to worsen for the entire world until it culminates in the return of Yeshua. The signs are everywhere if you dare to study Biblical end-time prophecy.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Journal Entry: September 18

From these ashes...
Luis Gonzalez
September 18, 2001 

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Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!

Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.

Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."

And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

[TomB]

Kipling has many uses when history gets serious.

Do you think?

I myself have never kippled. ;-)

[The Green Goblin]

Of course, when backed into a corner, deny the evidence.

I pointed out the fact that no passages specifically mentioning war and terrorism were provided, and you accuse me of denying the evidence! That's hilarious! You have provided no evidence--that was the whole point of my statement.

[The Green Goblin]

So ask yourself, if this conflict is really between Arab and Israeli, Muslim vs. Jew, why have all the recent bombings by the Palestinians happened against discos, malls, pizza shops, i.e. symbols of Western Civilization, and not synagogues and other religious symbols?

Because those are places where lots of young people congregate, and are less heavily guarded that religious sites

[TomB]

I pointed out the fact that no passages specifically mentioning war and terrorism were provided, and you accuse me of denying the evidence! That's hilarious! You have provided no evidence--that was the whole point of my statement.

I provided a link to an article that supports my position. All you do is bloviate, pretending facts don't exist when they are inconvenient.

And ignoring entire portions of posts when they are difficult to answer.

[TomB]

Because those are places where lots of young people congregate, and are less heavily guarded that religious sites

That is an abject an complete lie, and you know it. Since when does the amount of security matter at all to a suicide bomber? There is NO DIFFERENCE in security in a crowded street and a crowded holy site.

You've lost any credibility you had.

[Right Wing Professor]

Right. And while the arabs disseminated Greek and Hindu discoveries in mathematics, they discvered very little on their own.

[Right Wing Professor]

The firm carries out hydraulic projects in the West Bank financed by the US Agency for International Development (USAID)

I think the real question is, why is the US government financing projects to bring water to people who were dancing in the streets celebrating the wholesale murder of Americans just last week?

[The Green Goblin]

I provided a link to an article that supports my position. All you do is bloviate, pretending facts don't exist when they are inconvenient. And ignoring entire portions of posts when they are difficult to answer.

The article you linked to does not provide any specific examples of Palestinian textbook passages supporting terrorism. To ask for such is not to deny the evidence, it is merely a re quest to be given evidence. If you (or the article)contend that such passages exist, then providing a specific example should be easy enough. To do otherwise is extremely poor scholarship.

Furthermore, I've ignored none of your statements that I'm aware of.

[LadyForLiberty]

Shall we dig into the back ground of Palestinian Leadership such as Arafat? Arafat is first, foremost, and forever a terrorist. Time for the world to see the truth in Israel. The Truth is the Arab world wants to push Israel into the sea and will go to any lengths against a superior force(moral and militarily).

The Arabs are just playing victim here so as to turn world sentiment against Israel. What they are now starting to realize is that America will never back the Palestinian Terrorist Groups that are terrorizing innocent Jewish people. Palestinians are now on the "most wnated list" as far as I am concerned.

There are plenty of good Palestinians, but, they now have to pay the price for the morally bankrupt terrorists.

[The Green Goblin]

It makes no difference in terms of him losing his life, but it certainly does make a difference in him getting to his high-profile targets. I've lost no credibility--that's merely an attempt on your part to shift the focus away from the fact that you can't provide a specific example of a Palestinian text book that literally makes statements in support of terrorism. if you can, please do so. i'm still waitning.

[vrwc54]

Do a little homework professor.. the film was from 1991.

What kind of propaganda website would one find such an ASTONISHEDing piece of disinformation?

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