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To: Hoplite, Kate
Kate, maybe we will have to collate the news reports and come up with the figures, but just a few noted incidents themselves rack up almost 10% of the civilian death figures that hoplite refuses to believe. At least 142 killed in totals of just 4 major incidents outlined here, and probably on these same days, smaller killings were being caused by NATO throughout the country. This is actually a CNN report:

BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (CNN) -- Yugoslavia charged that a NATO airstrike hit a bus Saturday near Luzane north of Pristina, killing at least 34 people, including 15 children, and injuring five.

The civilian death toll would represent one of the highest since NATO began its air assault against Yugoslavia more than one month ago...

After the pilot had released his weapon, the bus drove onto the bridge, according to the statement from NATO headquarters in Brussels.

Serbian television reported there were as many as 60 or more casualties.

CNN's Alessio Vinci was taken to the scene and said the bus was split in half - one part left on the bridge the bus was crossing and a second part blown about 30 meters away.

"There are bodies all over here," said Vinci. "There are burned body parts ... The wreck of the bus is still smoldering." He said that as he walked around the scene, he could hear jets overhead and see bombing in the distance.

Vinci said he did not see any evidence that directly linked the incident to NATO missiles. He said there was no crater or evidence of a weapon.

However, a farmer told reporters that he heard jets overhead, followed by a loud explosion when the bus was hit.

The farmer said no Yugoslav military forces were in the area. The vehicle was a commuter bus carrying people from Nis to Pristina, said authorities...

Yugoslavian officials say NATO airstrikes have killed more than 1,000 civilians. Reports of other incidents include: April 12 -- A NATO missile targeting a bridge strikes a passenger train in southeastern Serbia, killing at least 17.

April 14 -- Seventy-five ethnic Albanian refugees die in an attack on a convoy near the southwestern Kosovo town of Djakovica. NATO acknowledges a misfire "may have caused damage to a civilian vehicle and unintentional harm to civilian lives."

April 23 -- Sixteen employees of Serbian Television and Radio die in a NATO strike on its headquarters.

228 posted on 09/24/2001 5:15:44 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan
death figures that hoplite refuses to believe

Gee Joan, you must be referring to incidents 41 (Luzane), 15 (Bistrica), 19 (Djakovica), and 30 (RTS) from my oft referred to Appendix A: Incidents Involving Civilian Deaths in Operation Allied Force.

I'm sorry, you were saying something?

229 posted on 09/24/2001 9:13:51 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: joan
Yugoslavian officials say NATO airstrikes have killed more than 1,000 civilians

So you have no problems believing what Yugo officials say about civilian casualties. But when Bosnian officials say that 200.000 people were killed in Bosnia, it's a big lie, right? Yes, I thought so. Ones tell only the truth, while the other only lie (Muslim propaganda?).

Double standards Joan?

232 posted on 09/25/2001 3:40:34 AM PDT by bluester
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