Posted on 09/17/2001 11:55:01 PM PDT by kattracks
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:47:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
If you did, you wouldn't have Milosevic being chummy with Hussein as they share notes on USAF tactics.
When did I ever say anything about Albania other than it's a mess, and the collapse of it's government made for a great place for people to get weapons from? Amazing indeed.
The Serbs did warn of Muslim extremism, and then went on a murder, looting, and raping spree in Bosnia that left moderate Muslims with no choice other than to join forces with their hard line bretheren if they wanted to survive - who was going to support them and keep them out of Serb concentration camps otherwise? (Oh, wait, Living Marxism 'disproved' them, right?)
Pray tell, what kind of Muslim extremism were the Serbs fighting in Croatia, or was the Civil War in Bosnia more complex than you would portray it? (Yes, it was.)
And you have become unhinged.
Until then, I'll have a chuckle at your expense.
You bore me with your misinterpretations of both statements and facts, Kate.
Milosevic has more innocent blood on his hands shed for no good reason than Bin Laden. We got one, we'll get the other.
Thousands of people. And it all happened under Nato 'control' and backing of the KLA. That is what makes these recent events so different and so much more our business in Nato countries.
You on the other hand clearly just despise Serbian people and do not differentiate between those who did terrible things [which were massively over spun] and those who are innocent civilians.
Plus you have a heck of a nerve talking about bias! I have read your posts for years and you are virilently anti-Serbian.
So you're into bombing civilians to punish the actions of a few or the fact that you don't like what their government is doing?! That argument is used by terrorists, not 'democratic' nations.
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You can no longer support terrorist activities such as bombing civilians and supporting terrorist groups in this new war against terrorism, Hoplite. You are now on the wrong side. About bloody time. I was getting sick of fools like you thinking that it was acceptable to murder and terrorise civilians.
Does that fog rise just a little? Now what exactly do you disagree with (apart from your own foolishness?)?
I bother to present you with facts, and you respond with nothing, no facts and no opinion execept to follow the lemmings... doesn't really surprise me. Your problem is that innocent blood never means Serbian blood, even though in this new war you will switch without even noticing because you are 'told' to by your masters at CNN and Nato. How sad.
What makes me anti-Serbian Kate? By opposing the policy of Slobodan Milosevic and calling war criminals what they are: war criminals? I know I have said this already a thousand times and I will say it again, I am not anti-Serb, I never was, I never will be. But I am surely not going to support or admire people like Milosevic, Arkan or Karadzic, which has happened here on quite some occasions. Because they did nothing good (neither for the Serbs) and they'r everything but patriots,or Serb defenders. All they brought was misery (to others and Serbs). That's something you just can't understand Kate, no matter how much I stress it. If that means I am biased, then so be it.
I remember that you're also in favour of the ICTY - fine, but if there's to be no double standards I hope they're readying cells for Blaair, Cook, Klinton, Dimbright et pals. They can discuss during R&R with Milosevic how they used to all be friends.
The double standard now is that bombing civilians is terrorism, and yet has that lesson been learned? People like Hoplite still think that it's acceptable even now. Using Nato as an offensive instead of defensive (it's specified role) organisation and legitimising the KLA was responsible for changing the world and the consequences have contributed to the mess we have today.
As for Milosevic doing more damage and causing more death to Serbs, that’s a bit hard to accept. He may be behind some killings of political opponents and some journalists (Curuvija), but the Serbs that were killed, were killed either by NATO, by KLA in Kosovo, in Croatia during Oluja, when around 250.000 of them were driven from their homes,or in Bosnia killed by Muslims and Croats.
But his policy and his paramilitary companions (Mladic, Karadzic,Martic, Arkan) whom he supported and financed caused considerable more deaths in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo to others, then he would have ever done Serbia himself. That is very clear, and that’s why the argument that he should brought before justice in Serbia, does not stand.
The most and biggest crimes he is held responsible were committed outside Serbia not in Serbia.
As for the double standards of the international (western) community, you’re right. There’s many other people, that could and should be brought before the ICTY just as well, and they haven’t been. And we could also talk about the demonization of Serbs (by media and others) and generalization by applying collective guilt as though as they were all responsible for the crimes comitted. Which is ofcourse ridicolous.
Just as it is calling all Muslims terrorists, or calling Islam a threat to western civilization.
Both such mentalities turn me off, and I do not intend to join such way of thinking, regardless if it concerns Serbs or Muslims.
I am not such a person Kate, and I try my best to make that clear.
No flaw in the logic, the two go hand in hand.
Wait a minute! As of this time, I thought Milosevic is being charged with (IE being "held responsible" for) war crimes in Kosovo only, a part of Serbia. I know the ITCY was talking about more charges but I hadn't heard that they had done so. What's the latest?
On the other hand, if any of the 'leaders' who committed war crimes are brought before any international court, there is plenty of evidence.
Humanitarian Warriors......tell my missing friends...http://www222.pair.com/dfbacon/wtc.html........that it was worth them losing their lives to occupy Bosnia, Kosovo, and Macedonia.......please explain to the stunned people all over my city looking at taped up photos of lost loved ones......
Humanitarian Warriors, your reckless amatuerish meddling has directly led to the deaths of 5,000 Americans......please tell us why it was necessary ?
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by way of clarification
The funding, training, promotion, & supplying of Mujhadeen in Bonsnia & Kosovo by Clinton's Humanitarian Warriors was thought of as a subtle policy which the brilliant humanitarian warriors would be able to CONTROL and MANIPULATE & SHUT DOWN AT ANY TIME w/o the slightest risk of BLOWBACK....................The amatuerish Humanitarians ended up giving the Mujahdeen much needed funds, training, and the rest for a critical ten year period. The Mujah are better organized, better funded, better trained all due to Clinton's short sighted reckless assistence.
Hoplite has numerous times explained this "strategy" of allying oursleves with the least worst party to go after the most worst party, and then going after our ernstwhile ally.
Well, Hoplite this brilliant "strategy" has directly resulted in the murder of 5,000 Americans..........w/o your help, the Muja would never been able to pull this off
My take is that three Bush appointees who have been prominent on TV (Rumsfeld, Powell, and Ashcroft) have said and done more right things since last Tuesday than the entire cabinet accomplished in eight childish years of Clintoon presidency. It has become apparent that President Bush et al personify the "gravitas" that socialist commentators were so desperately seeking last year.
No evidence? Kate, Milosevic himself admitted that he supported and financed the military and paramilitary forces in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo!! You obviously haven't been paying attention and reading Serbian media. And that was revealed several months ago. He told that, when he was asked where great ammounts of Serbian money went. He said they were doing a great cause, so the money went for great cause, by financing those forces! He doesn't even deny that, because he sees no problems in that, even though those same forces were responsible for horrendous war crimes against civilians!
I hope you'r not too shocked now :)
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