Hijackers connected to Albanian terrorist cell

Look, whatever I would post, you wouldn’t believe me.

DO YOU HAVE LINKS FROM MAINSTREAM SOURCES OR NOT?

I have already posted numerous links and photos from Racak, but as always the only response I got was that the people killed were KLA terrorists, even though there were elderly civilians and women on the photos or that they were killed by Albanians themselves.

I have my doubts about Racak too. It was the KLA that started that battle, as any link on "Racak" at HRW will tell you. As for women, there were women serving in the KLA, so female battle deaths are not out of the question. And how do you know these Albanians weren't killed by the KLA itself, which is reported by the HRW as having "executed" Albanians for "collaboration with government forces" (HRW's words)?

Of course, the bodies recently found in Serbia could make this look like a gang fight between first-graders. As I said, I don't deny that crimes were committed, I just don't buy every last one of the allegations.

You know, there were many of those who (unlike you) preferred to live in strong respectable federation, not in the helpless little but incredibly INDEPENDENT 'state'.

Respectable? It's president sits today in Hague for war crimes accusations.

And we're doing just fine thank you Alexandre. Much much better then the "strong respectable federation"

True, we're not a big country, but since when is that supposed to be important. Are we supposed to be inferior compared to you? Have you become short of arguments and started ridiculing others that don't agree with you? Yes, I thought so.

Joan is correct. The KLA encouraged some of the Albanian exodus from Kosovo. Looked good for CNN just like so called Racak massacre which never happened the way it was reported. UCK/PU forced Kosovar Albanian villagers to fight especially those supporting Rugova’s LDK party. They pushed fellow Albanians around. Racak villagers were strong supporters of the LDK and therefor expendable for the cause. 11 UCK fighters died at Racak and were removed by the KLA and buried in a nearby village so that there would be no hint of any armed conflict between the VJ and UCK only the so called massacre. KLA kill and continue to kill LDK party representatives in Kosovo. KLA’s objective was and is to get rid of political opposition in Kosovo so Thaci and his KLA Narco Terrorists can control Kosovo. This was going on even before NATO started the bombing. The Serbs got the short end of the stick at Recak. Check out the article called “THE RACAK INCIDENT “ by Diana Johnston at www.emperors-cloths.com/articales/Johnstone/Recak.html . This article is accurate. The Serbian VJ entered Racak with news media which in itself would be irresponsible if a massacre was to take place. Serbs also insisted on having autopsies conducted on the 40 dead villagers after the fact. Why did they not dispose of them after the so called massacre took place? There was no massacre. Forensic investigation supports this. KLA used the media to their advantage. That’s how they got an airforce. As far as atrocities in kosovo by the Serbs, Milosovic is answering for it. Was there once.

Racak never happened. Srebrenica never happened, concentration camps never happened, but when civilian victims (Muslims) were clearly identified they were supposed to be killed by their own people, in all cases. I mean, what can I say to such logic and excuses? You can't expect me to accept this claims as a fact do you?

You think I am that naive to believe that it's the truth that concerns certain people here. Or is the desperate attempt to put everything into perspective that it looks the best possible for Serb forces and their crimes, with all the denial and justifications to back it up, while claim that all the others caused evil and there is no doubt about the numbers of killed Serbs and stories that are presented here. And they are all unconditionally true.

If i get you right, the Serbs were the only real victim in Bosnia,Croatia and Kosovo, were killed by others, while those Muslims that were killed were simply killed just for fun by their own people, own friends, just so that it would all look logical to those that see it the "right" way, and know the ultimate truth I guess. You know what this reminds me of? I don't think I dare say it.

Dear bluestar pull your head out of your ass and get some air. What do you mean in all cases? I am not Serbian or Albanian or from the Balkans for that matter but a third party that has been there. I believe you only see what you want to see and obviously you generalize to much to the point that you have closed your mind to other point of views that may just may be the truth. If you believe everything that is given to CNN to report, you my friend are naive. Of course Srebrenica happened and General Kristic is now doing 46 years. I have been to Racak and concur with the article by Diane Johnstone. Read it and explain why the Serbian VJ would have journalist along to document a massacre waiting to happen. The part about the ditch being between the village of Racak and the hills where the KLA snipers where shooting at the VJ is a fact. What soldier in his right mind would march 40 people to a ditch in open ground while being shot at by the KLA and calmly mow down the stated 40 people. The KLA put the bodies there that evening after the Serbian VJ left. Thats why the Serb authorities removed the bodies from Racak and took them to the Pristina hospital for autopsies because of this manipulation. The forensic info supports that the people did not die their and the majority where shot from a distance.

That village where the 11 KLA soldiers that died during the firefight is not far from Recak and I have been there as well. The KLA are a brutal organization that shows no mercy for either Serb or Albanian (LDK). I have seen the corps of both sides left along the road side in Kosovo. What can you offer in terms of the truth? Oh by the way the holocaust did happen as well just like the firefight between the KLA and the Serbian VJ in Racak.

Most of the ethnic cleansing that took place in the Balkans was done by paramilitaries like Arcan and not the Serbian VJ. The KLA did their fair share as well and continue to do so to day. As for logic, try reading my post again and the article by Johnstone before shooting your mouth off. The truth is out there. The Wraith.

Most of the ethnic cleansing that took place in the Balkans was done by paramilitaries like Arcan and not the Serbian VJ.

I agree. As you might notice I am mentioning those paramilitaries mostly, not the regular forces of VJ, even though they were too involved in some of the killings and bombings of cities. Now that you can recognize that fact (that many still have problems accepting) is a big step forward. Then I can give you the credit of trying to be at least fair. Just as I can recognize the fact that many Serbs were victims of crimes just as well. In Croatia (with around 250.000 of the driven from their homes), in Bosnia and in Kosovo (KLA). I never denied those facts, I never justified those crimes, I never pretended that they didn't happen, and I surely never defended the people responsible for the crimes against Serbs.

And CNN was not my primary source of information. I could see what was going on on several TV stations from ex Yugoslavia (3 Serb, Bosnian, Croat, Montenegrin) and reports from journalists that were there, on ground, not in TV studios of CNN, NBC or BBC.

So you don't have to throw me that CNN and "pulling my head out of my ass and getting some air". I am not American, I am from Slovenia and we were part of ex Yugoslavia and its not far from Slovenia to Bosnia. When I heard about what was going on, it wasn't CNN or BBC telling me about it. And I don't believe everything that is presented in media anyway. But for things I know about, and am sure of, I have no problems standing behind what I say, without doubting about it.

Blue star The thing with Racak is that it stinks. All I am asking you is to have an opened mind about things because not everything that is presented to the world is fact but manipulation through the media. I have first hand knowledge about what happened at Racak and it bothers me still to day. The problem when you have a conflict like in Kosovo is that the media becomes one sided for obvious reasons like world support i.e. a U.S. President can get re elected etc. I know the KLA because I have dealt with them and have seen what evil they have done and continue to do. The media painted the Serbs as being the bad guys but forgot to look at the KLA and what they were all about. I kid you not the KLA kill their own and have no problem doing it. When the bodies of the 40 villagers were presented to the world by CNN I to was horrified and angry at the Serbs as a result of William Walkers saying they were responsible. To quick a condemnation first of all. When I left Kosovo and learned the real story it made me sick because the truth was covered up by the KLA. The Serbs reacted like any Government would when the KLA started shooting Serb Cops in the back. Thaci even stated to the media that this was a popular KLA tactic in getting the Serbs attention. Always good to have an open mind about things because not all is what it seems. Presently the KLA have invaded Macedonia and where planing it form day one right under the noses of NATO and the UN. Their actions speak for themselves. You would have thought that the peace option would have been a better direction . Wraith.

I agree about KLA. But you forget that there were civilians killed (deliberately) and I am not talking only about Kosovo, but Bosnia and Croatia as well. There was no KLA there. But there were Serb paramilitary forces of Mladic, Karadzic, Martic and the late Arkan. You forget that fact.

If you are telling me that Milosevic and his forces were solely dealing with terrorism in Kosovo, then you are very naive to say the least. It was very obvious what was going on, how Albanians were driven from their homes and killed and it was not because they were terrorists (unless you're telling me that all Albanian civilians in Kosovo are terrorists, women,elderly and children including) or that they would be forced out by the KLA.

And I am not just talking about the time during and after NATO attacks, to which you concentrate but the time before 1996 back to 1988 when Milosevic came to power and when there was no KLA! When Albanians were the ones that were terrorized, harrased, denied their rights, their homes being burnt down and even killed.

You should take those facts into account as well before making judgements.

Where do you get off thinking you're a Kosovo expert? All of your knowledge regarding Kosovo comes from watching TV and reading newspapers. You Slovenians don't know anything more about Kosovo than someone from USA or Canada.

The fact is, Racak was a hoax, Serb atrocities in Kosovo have been exagerated tenfold, atrocities against Serbs, gypsies, and moderate Albanians (you probably call them colaborators) have been hidden, and the saddest part of all is that some people equate defending your country from terrorists with genocide.

I never claimed I was an expert. But compared, to an average American, yes I can say I know a bit more about it. After all, we were part of Yugoslavia, and there are many Serbs, Albanians, Bosnian Muslims, Macedonians, Montegrins living in Slovenia, many of them that migrated from other republics in the 1990's. And there were refugees from various republics here during the wars as well. They had many "interesting" things to tell, their experiences and fight for survival when their cities were being bombed. And testimonies of women being raped, that were being treated here. But then if you'r telling me that someone living several thousand miles away, that (mostly)heard about Yugoslavia for the first time in the 1990's and that can't separate Slovenia, Slavonia, Slovakia and the republics from ex Yugoslavia knows more then me who was living in it, well then be my guest.

I don't say that some people here don't know what they're talking about, some certainly know a lot and more then I do (at least if I believe what experience they claim to have), but I just see a lot of prejudice, one sided views and even hatred towards Muslims who also happened to be victims of terrorist-like attacks and killings, and some just don't like to accept that fact as it goes against their general view of how it's supposed to be, even ignoring certain facts.

There are some Albanians living in my city as well. I haven't talked with any of them, but if I did I wouldn't believe everything they had to say. And the funny thing is, many of them have not yet returned to Kosovo but instead applied to become Canadian citizens. I don't blame them. Here, a family of five would get more than a thousand dollars a month for welfare. In Kosovo, they would get nothing. I'm not saying they're all welfare bums, just pointing out that I don't blame them for nto wanting to return to Kosovo.

But you forget that there were civilians killed (deliberately) and I am not talking only about Kosovo, but Bosnia and Croatia as well.

I forgot? Buddy I was there in 1993 and saw it live so don't lecture me about forgetting!!! You seem to be an armchair expert that never took the time to go and see it for yourself. If you have lets hear about it.

Most of the ethnic cleansing that took place in the Balkans was done by paramilitaries like Arcan and not the Serbian VJ

The previous was from my post 207 which for some reason you have failed to remember or not read very well. Time to pull your head out of your ass again. Did you read the article by the journalist Diane Johnstone yet. I bet you never took the time because you are to busy hearing your self talk.

If you are telling me that Milosevic and his forces were solely dealing with terrorism in Kosovo, then you are very naive to say the least. It was very obvious what was going on, how Albanians were driven from their homes and killed and it was not because they were terrorists (unless you're telling me that all Albanian civilians in Kosovo are terrorists, women, elderly and children including) or that they would be forced out by the KLA.

You asume to much and read and understand to little. What do you know about the KLA? The Balkan war is made up of many conflicts and many stories. I was relating to you about Racak but you don't have anything intelligent to say about it because you simply don't. In any case don't bother taking your head out of your ass because conversing with you goes no where. Enjoy the fumes.

I forgot? Buddy I was there in 1993 and saw it live so don't lecture me about forgetting!!!

Really? How did you see it live? Were you with some forces that were in "action" that you know that. Because if you claim you were there and saw what was going on, you couldn't have been a bypassing tourist just observing. You had to be involved in it.

Just as some people here that claim that they know exactly what was going on when Sarajevo was attacked, knowing every detail. Then they had to be involved themselves in those attacks one way or the other. Then I get the picture quite clear. People defending the actions of the forces they were part of.

And this is my last bit on this matter.

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