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America's Greens Rally to Flag, Run for Cover (Left in panic mode. Sierra Club drops ads)
Counterpunch ^ | Alexander Cockburn & Jeffery St. Clair

Posted on 09/15/2001 12:48:34 PM PDT by LarryLied

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To: kcvl LarryLied

Are we now to expect the Club to endorse drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve as necessary "for national security"?

NO, because they are too stupid to understand that.

John Kerry was asked this very question about drilling in ANWR and he immediately went to the standard talking points as to why there was so little oil and we shouldn't disturb the pristine ANWR!(barf)

101 posted on 09/15/2001 10:10:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach Larry Lied AuntB Carry_Okie Grandpa Dave
DING-DING-DING-DING-DING-DING!!!

Sounds great for now, doesn't it? Just wait, though, today as I was skipping to the "recycle center" through the Whitewater Rafting Kindom of the Sierra Nevada, I passed the entrance of "ENVIRONMENTAL TRAVELING COMPANIONS" rafting campground and launch site!

These are "Fellow Travelers" to the end and the "ends" justifiy any of their "means." These are very patient and determined Pagan fanatics. You'll see. It won't take long!!!

To them it's a religious way of life, just like the muslim terrorists. They will never let you live freely the way you see fit, cause they know they know what's best for everyone!!! They take very brief respites from subversion!!!

102 posted on 09/15/2001 10:47:19 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
As if oil companies are going to spend billions to drill if the fields will not produce for a long time.

Kerry had a new answer to the footprint argument. We must have won on the fact that very little land will be used. The new lie is the amount of "Global Warming Gases" which will be released. As much as the entire city of Washington DC releases. So sez Kerry.

(rather an unfortunate choice of city for an analogy, isn't it?)

103 posted on 09/15/2001 10:52:29 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
What nonsense! Principles are never more important than when it is inconvenient or dangerous to stand up for them

This deserves to be said again.

104 posted on 09/15/2001 11:00:48 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Send these communist scum to Afghanistan to do an environmental impact statement of the coming destruction. Don't bring them back. Then send in our guys and drop the nukes and a few watermelons. It truly will be for the children.
105 posted on 09/15/2001 11:42:40 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
LOL!!

I like that idea!

106 posted on 09/15/2001 11:54:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Peacerose
Don't be fooled. The Greens are not re-evaluating, they are just retreating for awhile until they can re-group under more favorable circumstances. Their group-think message is being drowned out by some serious patriotism and they know that pushing their agenda at this time is not politically expedient.
107 posted on 09/16/2001 12:01:57 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
#95

"...The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don't suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them." - Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs." - John Davis, editor of Earth First Journal

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken

"Cannibalism is a radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation." - Lyall Watson, The Financial Times - July 15, 1995

"Protecting the environment is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of preserving nature." - J.H. Robbins

"Global sustainability requires: the deliberate quest of poverty....reduced resource consumption...and set levels of mortality control." - Professor Maurice King

"The environmentalist's dream is an Egalitarian society based on rejection of economic growth, a smaller population, eating lower on the food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of resources much more equally." - Aaron Wildavsky

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." - Richard Benedict, State Dept./Conservation Foundation

"Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." - Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

"The secret to David McTaggart's(early officer in Greenpeace) success is the secret to Greenpeace's success: It doesn't matter what is true...it only matters what people believe is true...You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine." - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.

"Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover the source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it." - Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

"We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing--in terms of economic policy and environmental policy." - Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator(D-Colorado)

"We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects....We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land." - David Foreman, Earth First

"The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans." - Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

"As radical environmentalists, we can see AIDS not as a problem, but as a necessary solution." - Miss Ann Thropy(pseudonym), Earth First Journal

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing....This is to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run." - Economist editorial

"I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the environmental bandwagon don't have the slightest idea of what they are getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles." - Dennis Hayes, Eart Day Agenda

"The invention of the concept of sustainable human development and that of so-called human security, as opposed to territorial security of nation-states, and its promotion by the UN is in clear contradiction to all that we, the Group of 77, and the UN Charter itself consider inalienable, namely national sovereignty and security." - Pranab Mukherjee, India's Minister Of Commerce- Earth Times, Oct.15,1994

"It's(the prospect of cheap fusion energy) the worst thing that could happen to the planet." - Jeremy Rifkin

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

"Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition." - Peter Singer, the father of Animal Rights

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day." - Dr. Jacques Cousteau

"I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." - John Davis, editor of Earth First Journal

"We reject the idea of private property." - Peter Berle, President of National Audubon Society

"People are the cause of all the problems, we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this(ban of DDT) is as good a way as any." - Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund

"This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with health and safety." - Sherry Neddick, Greenpeace

108 posted on 09/16/2001 12:07:25 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I have news for John Kerry. He can stop using oil anytime he pleases. Let's see how far a bicycle or a skateboard can take him.

If they are willing to sacrifice my freedom for the caraboo in alaska they had better be willing to sacrifice their way of living. I have no intentions of giving up my use of oil in order to fuel anyones limousine including John Kerry's.

I have a backyard full of oil, electricity, game and trees. I say let the liberals use what they can drill, hunt, chop, etc. and we'll do the same.

I don't have much patience with the 'do as I say not as I do' bunch.

109 posted on 09/16/2001 2:20:15 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Carry_Okie
"Biuld nuclear power plants. Build them now."

And how about a federal government program we can all get behind and support?

I'd like to see a rapid ramping up of the CMP. Start teaching gun safety in schools, and not only safety, but marksmanship too. The Civilian Marksmanship Program has an honorable place in American history, but history is still being written.

Let's see some of that $40,000,000,000 go to revitalizing the CMP, and moving it to the forefront. Our troops will be very well served by a knowledge of the safe, effective use of their personal weapons, and a lifetime of familiarity with those weapons -- under the tutelage of real experts -- will not only help save their lives, but will also help preserve the entire nation.

I noticed the leftists in the article quoted above wringing their hands about the First Amendment. Without seeking to diminish that treasured clause in the least, we can also promote the Second Amendment, to help preserve our nation (and by extention, the free world).

110 posted on 09/16/2001 4:37:17 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: LarryLied
Time to ram through drilling in Alaska NOW. And not just the little flea bite they were planning, open it all up to development. We need a source of oil which is reliable. Also the Florida Gulf areas.
111 posted on 09/16/2001 4:45:09 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: F.J. Mitchell
"Post # 3: Trouble is these groups seemed out to destroy America by blocking the right to drill for gas and oil anywhere in America or along our coasts. Demanding impossible emission standards for power plants, factories and every mode of transportation, and filing so many frivilous law suits against every attempt to build nuclear plants, until the expense of this moderately cheap source of power became unaffordable."

If those vermin were active during WWII, they'd have been filing lawsuits to prohibit sending ammunition to the infantry because of "toxic lead content".

112 posted on 09/16/2001 4:57:01 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: LarryLied
"The new lie is the amount of 'Global Warming Gases' which will be released. As much as the entire city of Washington DC releases."

Is that comparison based on measurements taken when their lips are moving, or closed?

113 posted on 09/16/2001 5:09:21 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: LarryLied
"Imagine if this craven posture spreads across the public interest movement. We could expect First Amendment defenders to say that they were abandoning efforts to protect the Bill of Rights."

Breathtaking! Environmentalism is equated in importance with the Bill of Rights! I am (nearly) speechless.

114 posted on 09/16/2001 5:19:41 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Hey thanks for the bump (MAH ?)......I foresee some "global warming " about to take place.

Stay Safe !

115 posted on 09/16/2001 7:23:19 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Good morning 68-69, thanks for the heads up!
116 posted on 09/16/2001 7:34:10 AM PDT by harpo11
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To: Don Joe
BUMP!
118 posted on 09/16/2001 9:29:22 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Don Joe
This is something I started looking into about two weeks ago. It is underfunded and under attack by Greens for "lead contamination" (a total fraud) and noise pollution. Northern California.
119 posted on 09/16/2001 10:18:25 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: GailA
Why not! They are all leftists dedicated to the overthrow of our Nation.
120 posted on 09/16/2001 10:45:11 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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