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1 posted on 09/15/2001 10:07:46 AM PDT by xzins
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I would think a terrorist war would need some important things:

#1. Intellegence. Lots of it. Bug the homes of any and all suspected terrorists anywhere in the world, including the USA.

#2. Profile those would be terrorists and create a large database and track all their movements, conversations, connections, etc. Of course we would have their houses bugged and have people working inside of their communities. It would be extensive intelligence.

#3. If a terrorist plot is uncovered, make that gentleman disappear.

Have a nice stately 50 year old gentleman go to the front door at 3a.m. and pump him full of bullets. Of course we could come up with many creative ways to eliminate those who make threats. Just making a terrorist threat would be reason enough for deadly force. Those terrorist organizations, all of them, would be targets. Participation in WTC would not be a requirement.

Take the body and wrap it up in chains and dump it 5 miles off shore.

If anyone asks, deny everything.

Of course there should also be increased airport security, etc etc.

47 posted on 09/15/2001 12:30:31 PM PDT by super175
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Here are my suggestions:

-Rebuild our intelligence agencies. This will take years. They need to re-establish human assets. This will take years.

-Hire the Mossad for their expertise. They know the players far better than do we.

-Abolish silly EO's and laws against "assassination". Give the CIA and NSA carte blanche to operate against any terrorist in foreign countries.

-Rebuild the military. Remember that we have a "DEFENSE" department, whose primary aim is what they are now pleased to call "Homeland" defense. I read in the paper today that the U.S. has only 60 (sixty) fighters assigned to domestic airspace protection. This is an outrage.

-Slowly, and with precision, begin to take out the terrorist organizations, working from the top down. Mercilessly. Methodically. Again: consult the Israelis, who used to have the guts to do this.

-Prepare for more domestic terror. This will come in the form of CBW and mini-nukes.

-Round up and deport all arabs who are non-citizens. Accept NO reason as valid other than citizenship. Green card, student visas--revoke them all.

-Seal the borders. Allow no more Arab nationals to enter--for any reason.

That would be a start.

--Boris

49 posted on 09/15/2001 12:34:39 PM PDT by boris
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Afghanistan has little to bomb and we do not want to kill innocents.....so what we do may be symbolic. I would warn the Taliban and give them 24 hour notice to evacuate Kabul, the capitol, and then I would destroy the city with nuclear weapons. I would then send photos of the destruction to Damascus, Syria, Baghdad, Iraq and Teheran, Iran and say you are next if you do not in 2 weeks expel all terrorists and destroy their training centers. Implicit in all of this is that Osama Bin Laden will be turned over to the US.
51 posted on 09/15/2001 12:40:35 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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Fair question. IMHO...

First define the enemy. There are three.

1) Radical islamic terrorists. This does not mean all Muslims are terrorists.
2) Sovereign governments Active--Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, and whatever others exist.
3) Sovereign governments Passive--Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, etc.

Active state sponsors of terrorism provide significant and direct logistical and financial support to terrorists; passive state sponsors primarily provide safe harbor, though behind the scenes there may be significant direct support.

Axiom: Terrorists who can attack the United States as happened this week are by definition state supported terrorists.

Corollary 1: Terrorists cannot be defeated without attacking the state sponsor. There is no difference between the terrorist or the state who supports terrorists.

Corollary 2: Active state sponsors of terrorists have by defininition a government riddled with political and bureaucratic supporters of terrorists. Therefore, punitive measures directed against such governments will by necessity be less selective.

Corollary 3: Passive state sponsors of terrorism probably have many government bureaucrats and officials who are less sympathetic to terrorist support and who may be motivated, given the right conditions, to assume leadership roles in their governments opposing terrorism.

More selective measures should be taken against passive state sponsors so as not to alienate and in fact so as to help possible allies rise to positions of prominence in their government as terrorist supporters are eliminated.

Now, we have entered a new phase of this campaign against terrorism. It is no longer a campaign. It is a war. The terrorism we are fighting is multinational and paramilitary, not national and military. In other words a war against terrorists who are actively and passively supported by a state multinational coalition. Call it "TATO" (Terrorist Alliance Treaty Organization)

The United States campaign against terrorism has, until now, failed because we have treated terrorists as rather isolated entities and have failed to target the government officials who support terrorism. I say this again. In a liberal's mind, a government is a bureaucrat is a politician is good. Liberals hate to hold failures and criminals responsible for their action, but most of all they hate to hold governments responsible for their failures and criminal actions.

Liberals would sooner hit a goatherder's camp who sold terrorists goat cheese with 150 million dollars of cruise missiles before they would target a government minister in Afghanistan who was known to create fictitious accounts and passports to help terrorists. Think of it as professional courtesy among statists.

To a liberal, government is good. Being against government and its minions is bad, no matter whose government it is. Hell, look at what liberal's did in THIS country to protect the government and its minions at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Maybe the foot soldiers of terrorism are liable to cruise missiles, but the government enablers have largely sat by unscathed and in fact profiting from their involvement, secure in the knowledge that up until now, we wouldn't touch them. Therefore, the single most significant change that has to take place in our strategy in fighting terrorists is to carry the fight to both multinational terrorists and to their active and passive multinational government supporters...by this I mean targeting those individuals in those governments who support terrorism, not primarily the government itself.

The executive order on assassination should be changed to reflect the following. We should not be in the business of overthrowing governments or assassinating politicians whose views are at odds with ours. However, in international law, our Bill of Rights should not be the standard by which we take action in other countries. (I would prefer that this order be preceeded by a clause that states any country which Congress has declared war upon will be subject to this order, but our Congress is so gutless I doubt they would declare war on any country anymore.)

"In addition to terrorists, The United States will take all necessary means of retribution up to and including the use of lethal military force against any foreign government leader, official, bureaucrat or citizen who has been identified as actively or passively supporting the planning, support or commission of acts of violence against our country. This order will serve as sole notification of this policy to all concerned."

Governments who support terrorism should be given a chance and asked one question.

Are you for us or against us?

If the answer is no, they should be told that we will use all means to identify and eliminate terrorists and their support structure in that country, including those government agents who aid them. We should make it clear to those governments and their people we will not be indiscriminate, and our quarrel is with the uncivilized elements in their midst.

We announce with great fanfare and publicity that we will not attack government officials who are not involved in supporting terrorist activities, but as far as we are concerned a terrorist is a government bureaucrat is a citizen who supports terrorism and will be dealt with the same way. Between us and the Mossad, we know who is supporting terrorists.

We should not declare unrestricted war on these countries and their populations. It must be clear who and what our fight is with. In this way we have a chance to not alienate whole countries, or turn this war from a war against paramilitary terrorists into a war against states and their active military forces.

Finally, this will require ground troups. The days of having an isolated war from above in this fight are over. Whether single individuals are given targets, or small forces to hit and take out targets quickly, this will require putting people at risk on the ground for a limited time to achieve specific goals. Trying to invade and occupy a territory like we did in Haiti is not the model here.

54 posted on 09/15/2001 12:45:05 PM PDT by Jesse
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Elect an Administration with some guts, respect for the military, love of country, and foundation in Christ ...
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield ... I can live with that.
60 posted on 09/15/2001 12:58:59 PM PDT by El Cid
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ideas from others Defeating terrorism will not be easy. It will be a protracted operation that will pit us against an illusive group of scorpions that includes those in leadership positions in terrorist organizations, their aides and lieutenants, the leaders of nations that support them, and the followers of those leaders.

The only way to stop terrorism is to make the price of terrorism exceedingly high for not only the ideologically driven terrorist foot soldier but for those that command and support him.

We need to name the enemy. Osama bin Ladin is not the only person we need to kill -- either in battle or by execution -- to stop terrorism. We need to list the names of the leaders of about 50 other terrorist organizations by name and add "and anyone in those organizations". President Bush needs to remind people in the United States that our laws allow us to execute those who were accessories before the fact, that is, who gave assistance to the perpetrators, or after the fact, who may have helped other accessories escape detection. Our policy should be that we will execute all accessories before the fact and have nothing less than life in prison without parole for the others.

President Bush must call on all nations to capture and extradict anyone mentioned on the list or anyone who is a member of their organizations. His warning should include the caution that expelling those individuals is NOT an acceptable response and that we will consider an expulsion to be aid and comfort to our enemy and will take appropriate military-political actions.

We need to target known terrorist training camps. We should use our oxygen-fuel vapor weapon which will kill just about everyone in those camps. Any nation that opposes our doing so to camps within their borders should have its military destroyed entirely. We should sink every ship in their Navy, destroy every artillery piece, every missile, every tank and every truck. In addition, we should set their military stores of ammunition and their munitions manufacturing completely. We would likely only have to do this to one nation. We should then demand the unconditional surrender of that nation, take there political leadership, and try them for complicity in acts of terrorism and execute them. (This is the method the Romans used. They had "peace" from about 50 BC till about 450 AD.)

With terrorists the only exit strategy is really a strategy of when do we stop. We don't ever really stop. We just suspend operations when we have destroyed completely the top ten terrorist organizations. Whenever a new act of terrorism occurs we again root it out and destroy it by killing all of those, regardless of age or gender, who were responsible and jailing all the other members in primitive conditions for life with no parole.

61 posted on 09/15/2001 2:03:16 PM PDT by xzins
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no exit stragedy needed..........this will be a war fought till the end of time. You just have to get it in your head that there is no exit stragedy to the defense of the country. It should be an on-going operation.

Personally I think we should double our satellite capabilities and any time we see any type of terrorist related training anywhere we strike quickly and with the type of response that makes ex-military folks like myself sit back and say "Holy Sh*t". If we do not respond in that fashion you can bet that the terrorists will not say "Holy Sh*t" either.

In dealing with the hunt of these cells across the globe I say the old tried and true movement to contact is the best military option as well as special ops raids for the more remote locations.

62 posted on 09/15/2001 2:12:20 PM PDT by William_Rusher
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