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Radical Islam Or Communist Direct Action
Toogood Reports ^ | September 13, 2001 | Charles A. Morse

Posted on 09/13/2001 7:03:07 PM PDT by Starmaker

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To: Zadokite
Thanks for the links - bttt
21 posted on 09/17/2001 1:30:32 PM PDT by ChaseR
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To: Starmaker
I totally agree with the author's observation. All of the terrorist organizations, such as the German, Middle Eastern, and probably the IRA organizations, were supported by the USSR to foment instability throughout the world. I have never trusted that "Russia" gave up its communist ways. The USSR always supported the third-world countries in the Middle East: Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Egypt. Most of these countries have been training grounds for the terrorists. The USSR set world-wide terrorism in motion; but I believe that the organizations have taken on a life of their own, with new masters who have made it to the top of their governments (as in Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden).

I know many of you will think I've gone off the deep end, but I believe that we will be unsuccessful at rooting out terrorism. We will have small successes; but the terrorists will, too, perhaps next time using nuclear-type attacks or biological/chemical weapons. The war will escalate to include more nations, with North Korea, China, and, perhaps, Russia, taking sides against the United States and Israel, with its handful of supporters. We may even be emasculated to where we are left totally ineffective. Then will come the "peacemaker" (also known as the Anti-Christ). I believe it will come to pass in the next few years.

22 posted on 09/17/2001 1:43:07 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: neutrino
If in fact their religion rejects such acts, when will a fatwa be declared against these vermin?

It's my understanding that at Imam (sp?) in Egypt and elsewhere did declare Fatwa on these actions.

23 posted on 09/17/2001 1:46:16 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: Starmaker
Libya, Syria, Iraq, and the Arafat's factions of the Palestinians, this is true. But it is not true of the Islamic radicals of Afghanistan, Iran, or the Sudan. Pseudo-marxist terrorism in the Arab world is a second and distinct phenomenon from Islamic fundamentalism. These are two ideologies, not one. They both support terrorism, both hate Israel, and both support internal repression and undemocratic governments. This leads many outsiders to confuse them with each other, or regard them as equally bad (true enough in most respects) and therefore equivalent (politically false - they also fight each other).

The pseudo-marxist ideologies do not want to live in a medieval world. They do not reject all modernism. They are focused primarily on -Arab- nationalism, including resistence to Israel and to western influence in -the Middle East-. These are different from the goals of the Islamic fundamentalists, which -include- all of that but are also -wider-. Especially in central Asia, the Islamicists are at least as hostile to pseudo-marxism as to the west. In Algeria, the pseudo-marxist government is engaged in a bloody civil war with a Islamic fundamentalist resistence.

The pseduo-marxist version does support terrorism. That terrorism is directed at policy, especially in Israel and in the west's support for Israel, and presence in Arab countries.

The Islamicists also support terrorism, but unappeasably so. There is no outside policy change that would "satisfy" them, because they engaged in external terrorism for essentially internal political reasons. They are trying to demonstrate their greater stridency, and to make even the pseudo-marxists look like lackies of external powers. They seek the overthrow of all other types of government in Islamic countries, not just changes of foreign policy in the west.

The pseudo-marxists use Islamic rhetoric to stay in front of this internal opposition. But none of the Islamicists themselves regard them as having any Islamic legitimacy, and would overthrow them in a heartbeat if they could. Including Saddam, the Syrian government, Qaddafi, and Arafat. None of whom are, even remotely, -religious- leaders. None of whom, even remotely, abide by traditional Shariah law.

They are two distinct anti-western ideologies, just as fascists and communists in the Europe of the 30s were both against the democracies of western Europe and the US. Sometimes they have their Ribbentrop-Molotov pacts and connive with each other, as when Arafat winks at Hezbollah bombers operating in the territories. Sometimes they tear each other to pieces, as in Algeria today. They are not the same thing.

24 posted on 09/17/2001 1:52:12 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Zadokite
Thank you for these links. I really like Starmaker's post #1. It makes sense. I truly believe there is more to this than just Bin Laden.
28 posted on 09/19/2001 9:06:46 AM PDT by goldilucky
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To: Starmaker
Both are shoots off the same evil root: the belief that life is lived as a victim. That death is more glorious than life! It is a denial of G-d. Islam has been deeply infected by the ancient cult of death. Lenin, Stalin, Mao -- they invented a new one. Same root idea. The newer one doesn't have the sustain of the old one though. Gonna be a very tough fight. Our enemy is often more wily than we are.
31 posted on 09/20/2001 1:56:00 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Zadokite
Thanks for the link to this site. Correct me if I am wrong, but is that list a group of people who are supporting the Congresswoman? I don't fully understand. I noticed the name of that Walter's Woman from California, I thought she was a congresswoman too. Please fill me in on the details. Progressive might just be another name for communicst
34 posted on 09/21/2001 6:51:56 AM PDT by Buchanan mama
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To: Zadokite
Thanks for the link to this site. Correct me if I am wrong, but is that list a group of people who are supporting the Congresswoman? I don't fully understand. I noticed the name of that Walter's Woman from California, I thought she was a congresswoman too. Please fill me in on the details. Progressive might just be another name for communicst
35 posted on 09/21/2001 6:52:48 AM PDT by Buchanan mama
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To: Starmaker
An unknown person to me sent me this link. Thank you. I was writing my opinion on another thread that I thought Bin Labin was working with the Communists because his group and the Government that supports him are involved heavily in the trafficking of heroin into this Country. That made the connection for me. I KNOW that Hillary is an underground communist, based on the things that I have learned about communisum, based on the things that I have read about Hillary Clinton from books like Barbara Olsen's "Hell To Pay." Because I have known this in my heart about Hillary for a long time, and because I know also in my heart that Hillary is somehow connected to this national tragedy, especially with the passing of Barbara and the stock market insider trading, because of all of this - And now the news that Bin Labin is involved in drug trafficking, at least indirectly, - this is just one further link to what I believe about Hillary.

And also, THANK YOU for enlarging that connection for me, because you brought it to my attention that all of the radical groups of Islam are being used by communisum.

It CERTAINLY makes sense why HILLARY WOULD WANT TO KISS THE CHEEK OF ARAFAT'S WIFE. I just WISH I could kiss YOUR cheek for being such a true American by looking out for us by looking for the truth. You are so smart!!!! Thank you for all the information!!!!!

36 posted on 09/21/2001 7:15:40 AM PDT by Buchanan mama
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To: Zadokite
Let's not forget that Hillary also kissed Arafat's wife on the cheek too.

My oh my, it looks like those commies are all SO loving. They REALLY do care.

I am sure the Chinese are loving EVERY TIME they drag a woman into a van for instant abortions and sterlizations.

And Hillary, what a WARM woman! I don't understand why ANYONE would EVER want to write a book where Hell and Hillary were one and the same!

You get the drift, don't you? Of course you know I think ALL these rats are EVIL!!!!!

37 posted on 09/21/2001 7:22:28 AM PDT by Buchanan mama
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To: Zadokite
I wish that I could be one of President Bush's advisors. He needs someone to connect the dots, and I don't mean that disrespectufully, because right now I worship the ground that Bush walks on. But Barbara Boxer is on the committee for terrorism? Barabara Boxer is communist too!!!! Barbara Boxer and Hillary are in-laws!!!! Barbara NEEDS to be out of there, since she is also an enemy of our country!!!!!

Also, since I believe that HIllary is involved in this whole ordeal, having Barbara Boxer on that committee is like having O.J. Simpson's mother as a member of the jury, (not that he needed his mama's help, but you know what I mean!!!).

38 posted on 09/21/2001 7:32:44 AM PDT by Buchanan mama
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