China aligns with Taleban! immediately after BOMBING!

Excerpts of FR copy of independent identified WP orignated article. ^ | 09-13-01 | org-John Pomfret / FR Post, REPOST w/ editing Vannrox

[chemainus]

Zmanson : Member since August 11, 2001 and loves the ChiComs propaganda... nuff said... I'm blocking him.

[chemainus]

To Zmanson : " Get thee hence" and take your thieving students with you...

[Tenega]

Actions will tell us where China stands.

That is true. But the PRC's "public" actions may be very different from its covert actions. A diplomat friend of mine who knows the Chinese well says it is considered axiomatic within the Chinese leadership that it faces inevitable confrontation with the US within the next five to 10 years. I think we are seeing a smiley-faced struggle already well under way between these giants.

My view of Bin Laden's organization is that its ideological rantings are probably a cover for what amounts to a modest-sized mercenary army, for hire by whatever nation-state might want to contract out a "hit" on someone without getting its own fingerprints on the trigger. The great irony may be that the US, as well, has made use of his services, and may have even helped train and fund his mafia in days past.

Clearly, the timing, sophistication and intelligence capabilities demonstrated by the Sep 11 attacks indicated Bin Laden benefitted from some level of state support from somewhere. What other country has enough at stake to effect what amounts to a Pearl Harbor attack on the US? The M.O. fits well with classic Chinese war-making doctrine.

The analogy to Pearl Harbor is intriguing, since that war was started, in part, over the US oil embargo of Japan. The US may be seen currently as effecting somewhat similar strangulation effect on China using oil (and technology). It could be done by tacitly encouraging or supporting uneconomically high oil prices for a sutained period. China is heavily dependent on oil imports, pecentage-wide even moreso than the US if it is to realize its growth and industrialization hopes, and less able to pay for them.

In an interesting 1994 book titled "Victory: The Reagan Administration's Secret Strategy that Hastened the Collapse of the Soviet Union," author Peter Schweitzer details how he US masterfully employed a low-oil-price policy for many years to effectively bankrupt the Ruskies, whose power was heavily financed through oil exports. Could a reverse strategy be ineffect with China?

Of course such strategies can be very expensive to friend, as well as foe, the bet may be that we and our friends have deeper pockets and can weather such economic warfare better than the other guy. Hence, faced with such a strangulation strategy, the PRC may be getting desperate.

You will note that in addition to the Kabul deal announced by the PRC this week, PRC leaders have also renewed efforts to forge an ecominc link with Kazakstan, including construction of a long oil pipeline from that country to China. It is also interesting that BP, for reasons not really made clear, unexpectedly pulled otu of a major CHinese gas pipeline development last week.

My two bits worth. Rebuttle welcome.

[A2J]

"Zmanson : Member since August 11, 2001 and loves the ChiComs propaganda... nuff said... I'm blocking him."

Can you send me an freepmail to show me how to do that? I would greatly appreciate it.

[independentmind]

Clearly, the timing, sophistication and intelligence capabilities demonstrated by the Sep 11 attacks indicated Bin Laden benefitted from some level of state support from somewhere. What other country has enough at stake to effect what amounts to a Pearl Harbor attack on the US? The M.O. fits well with classic Chinese war-making doctrine.

I agree with you completely. I have heard more than one person say that the precision and targets chosen seem to indicate state support. Frankly, I doubt Iraq has the capability to pull this off.

[smithson]

We better not turn our backs on the Chinese. Keep in mind they would love to get their hands on Tiwan(sp). After a long summer trainning in the Streights of Tiwan(sp)and building up a large nucular force over the last several years,they have plans. This would be the time for them to strike. Reasion: Why did these terrorists leave such an obvious trail? It might be that the Chinese want us to get tied up in the Middle East.

[chemainus]

Notice on Post # 69 from Zmanson Member since Aug 11 2001 ...Notice the diction " What is such ? " not your usual Iowa farmboy phraseology... sounds a lot like the people I work with from Hungary and Russia and China who learned English later in life .....I am not a xenophobe... what I am proposing is an Alliance of Four between the United States , Israel , Russia and India as our PRIMARY axis of strength.

[smithson]

Our alliance with Israel is the major reasion for this attack. Another cost of our support of Israel.

[cicero's_son]

"a new alliance of United States , Israel , Russia and India as our PRIMARY axis of strength."

I think this will happen naturally. Israel and the United States are united and inseparable. Russia, for all it's posturing and bellowing, still aspires to be a European power. They recognize that the greatest threat to their security and integrity is Chinese nationalism on their western front. India's antipathy toward Pakistan (Islam's only known nuclear power) will push it toward the United States and Israel. It's ties with Russia remain after the two states' alliance during the Cold War.

And yes, it is a good idea.

[smithson]

Inseprabale! Why the h#&l is that. I, as an American, can do just fine without Israel.

[smithson]

Inseprabal Why the h#&l is that. I, as an American, can do just fine without Israel.

[smithson]

Inseprabal Why the h#&l is that. I, as an American, can do just fine without Israel.

[smithson]

Inseprabal Why the h#&l is that. I, as an American, can do just fine without Israel.

[chemainus]

Dear Zmanson, Please pardon We the Freeple if we become somewhat adamant at times with viewpoints such as yours. I have been called everything but "Saint" by Freepers many times ( and I deserved it , let's see , once !). If you are genuine , if you can stand the heat in this kitchen then gradually you will become respected IFF your viewpoints show some kind of philosophical coherence ( it doesn't have to be right wing or even right!) or if you , once in awhile, make a salient point or two. But Zmanson Member since August 11, 2001 who sounds like Uncle Prescott , as angry as you may become, FREEPERS are not stupid or " dumb asses" . Re-examine yourself and your motives and your knowledge base. I am a practicing Biochemist in front line research. Many FREEPERS make me look pallid due to their credentials, insight, intellect , experience or God-given and very rare common sense. So before you call us stupid, and try to force feed the 'Tedesche' with your apologetic viewpoints , consider whether you would like to sit down with most of us , and take whatever test you can devise , to determine which words are eaten, and by whom ! Gruss Gott !