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They can't see why they are hated
The Guardian ^ | Thursday September 13, 2001 | Seumas Milne

Posted on 09/13/2001 6:33:57 AM PDT by getoffmylawn

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To: Architect
You are simply all over the place, aren't you.
"Then we could make, say, 40,000 martyrs and 100,000 kids just itching for revenge. When one of them finally does do the dirty deed, we could start all over. What fun."

The islamic nations must go the way of Troy, Carthage, and Azteca.

You misunderstand my statement. Whatever it takes to reduce the threat.
No one left to contemplate revenge.
Got it?

321 posted on 09/13/2001 5:39:20 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (cavaliers@dare_to_speak.com)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba
You misunderstand my statement. Whatever it takes to reduce the threat.
No one left to contemplate revenge.
Got it?

Okay. Clear enough. Buy up HotPoint stock then.

322 posted on 09/13/2001 5:55:41 PM PDT by Architect
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
The people who are part of this religion, or supporter of it, are useful only as fertilizer for next year's crops.

Ahh. Very eloquent. You sound like a prime candidate for America's first suicide terror squad. I'm sure that the Islamic suicide bombers were really deep thinkers just like you when they came to the conclussion that people who are part of America, or supporter of it, are useful only as fertilizer for next year's crops.

Do you even realise that you are cut from the same cloth as Islamic terrorists, or is that just as far out of your grasp as my simple call to "not stop thinking?"

323 posted on 09/13/2001 6:11:40 PM PDT by getoffmylawn
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To: Sedition
Be very careful...Some people here will not recognize irony/Swiftian humour when they see it...

See #321. You appear to be right. The moron actually thinks I misunderstood him. Be careful about what you say, though. He might add add you to The List. Of course, with a name like yours, you're probably on it already.

324 posted on 09/13/2001 6:13:16 PM PDT by Architect
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To: Architect
Hmm... Maybe we have got him wrong. Read between the lines of what he's written. I detect sarcasm.
325 posted on 09/13/2001 6:20:50 PM PDT by getoffmylawn
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To: Architect
Whooops... disregard my last post. I just reread some of his stuff. Yikes.
326 posted on 09/13/2001 6:24:08 PM PDT by getoffmylawn
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To: getoffmylawn
Damn! And I was hoping to make a quick killing (pardon the pun) on the market...
327 posted on 09/13/2001 6:28:38 PM PDT by Architect
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To: getoffmylawn
Sorry, had to step out, one of your terrorist brothers made a phone call.
We are now back and will continue to come back.
You will be defeated, your comments are understandable and are the result of 50 years of leadership and indoctrination by the gelded socialist sociologists. You all parrot the lines of the seditious apologists for terrorism.
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
The islamic nations must go the way of Troy, Carthage, and Azteca.

Ask you doctor for some more prozac, hide under the rock, keep repeating, help me Barney, help me Mr. ans Ms. Sociologist.
Your time is over, this is war and you are no longer useful.

328 posted on 09/13/2001 6:34:42 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (cavaliers@dare_to_speak.com)
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To: LadyJD
"I fear that we have just witnessed our "Reichstag Fire"."

You have to steal quotes for Michael Rivero?? Do you get a secret decoder ring with the tin hat? Do you even know what the Reichstag fire was?

329 posted on 09/13/2001 6:58:11 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: getoffmylawn
I haven't read much of this yet, but you forgot the "BARF ALERT !!!" in the title.
330 posted on 09/13/2001 7:07:17 PM PDT by cc2k
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To: Architect
Place troops in 67 countries, get involved in 200 foreign wars in the last 50 years, and then play the innocent when the chickens come home to roost.

Took several replies, but you finally showed your true colors.

You turd. You evil piece of s**t.

331 posted on 09/13/2001 7:09:45 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Chief Inspector Clouseau
This needs its own thread.

Finally, someone from another country who might actually understand. And a Canadian no less. Any chance we can trade Peter Jennings for him?

333 posted on 09/13/2001 7:25:51 PM PDT by cc2k
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To: denydenydeny
Welcome to the crowd. Insult anyone who points it out. You are a pathetically stupid moron.
334 posted on 09/13/2001 8:02:56 PM PDT by Architect
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To: Gumption
I will not read any post that starts by referring to OUR fellow bereaved FReepers as "rabid dogs" "coming out of the woodwork".

You're right. That was a very insensitive statement by me and I apologize to anybody that took offense to it. I was wrong to say that.

The sad thing is, I know exactly how they feel. Back in 1995 when Croatia attacked the Serbia Krajina and ethnicly cleansed 250,000 Serbs and killed thousands in a mere 3 days while being aided by the US, I could have slaughtered at least 1000 Croats by myself. All you had to do was keep the line moving for me and I could have kept the blood flowing. I wanted retribution so bad my hands were shaking.

That intense anger is difficult to sustain over a long period of time and eventually I came to my senses and was actually embarassed that I could feel such hatred.

Many of my friends were very worried about me and thought that I was completely losing my mind. At the time I was dating and madly in love with what I consider to be one of the greatest women that I have ever met. When I informed her of these feelings of hatred that I was feeling she became withdrawn from me, told me that she no longer knew who I was. The love of my life was no longer my partner.

At the time my American friends had absolutely no idea how I could feel such hatred. Now before my very eyes I'm watching what appears to me to pretty much the whole of America turn into the equivilant of blood thirsty Serb "ultra-nationalists". However you'll never hear the term ultra-nationalist used by Americans to describe what they are. For them the word is "patriots".

Although my posts will not contain the words that describe my personal desire to be the person to administer the extremely slow and painful death that I wish to see administered to the evil animals that are responsible for the carnage of Tuesday that has caused me to shed many tears and once again stir these feelings of hatred, rest assured that these feelings are still very often present. What I cannot muster is a sustained level of hate for long periods of time. I believe it may partially be because I'm just so emotionally exhausted from the near constant oscillations of emotions that have accompanied me during the last 10 years of the disolution of Yugoslavia.

Nobody understands the feelings of anger and outrage that Americans are experiencing now more than the Serbs. I bet that citizens of Belgrade from 1999 and citizens of New York from Tuesday could find much in common. I wish to God that neither city would have experienced such heartbreaking terror.

Again, I apologize for my insensitive statement to both you and anybody else I may have offended. However, I do believe that we must keep thinking. Hatred is a killer. We have prime examples of its fruits in New York and Washington.

335 posted on 09/13/2001 9:38:39 PM PDT by getoffmylawn
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To: getoffmylawn
"What could some political thing have to do with blowing up office buildings during working hours?" one bewildered New Yorker asked yesterday."

The pure ignorance of the average american CNN-couch-potatoe is just amazing! So this guy doesn't remember the US lead NATO bombing of the Belgrade TV station. Was that something different? It was an act of state terrorism, that ended in the deaths of innocent people doing their job.

If the father of the killed make-up girl working for the Belgrade TV station decided to hijack an airplane and slam it in the WTC, would this guy then still ask the same question?

Blowing up buildings in other countries by whatever means, is not an "political thing"! The sad thing is, even after the disaster some people won't get it.

336 posted on 09/14/2001 3:44:24 AM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: cicero's_son
God uses Empire just as he uses Republic. ..."

Well, cicero's son, you aimed your arrow unerringly at the achilles heel. Is the critique of the current wave (an irresitable tidal wave, it appears) of history meaningful, or is it all petulant childishness? Are those of us who reject the facile embrace of "God's will" as an explanation, lonely prophets or merely infantile egoists?

Why did someone like Augustine have the intellectual power to turn away from longing for the classical culture he so loved, and not only live through the change but put in place the very foundations of the next wave? Is it genetic-- hormonal?

Or does it just mean that some people grow up faster than others; growing up being the ability to say, with equanimity: "...Empires are not perfect...The alternative is worse. .."

You point out:"...Witness what happens when Empires retreat into themselves..." You seem to think they have any choice in the matter. I have no doubt our Empire will be able to marshal one last mighty battle cry. And when the dust settles, and we have a chance to examine more closely the inside of our skyscraper facade, we will find there is nothing left.

Growing up being the ability to perceive that it is all decay and corruption proceeding in elliptical waves until finally we are drawn, inexoribly, into the "final realization" where everybody ultimately dwells--Tamarlain, St. Francis, Idi Amin, Gregory The Great, Hitler, Anne Frank, Osama Bin Laden, Charles Martel, Joe Smith...

It seems unbearable...

337 posted on 09/14/2001 6:22:46 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Petronski
"...Yes, but what will you be doing Saturday night?...

Saturday night I attend my: "Is The Cloister Right For You?" seminar......

338 posted on 09/14/2001 6:30:03 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
"when the dust settles, and we have a chance to examine more closely the inside of our skyscraper facade, we will find there is nothing left"

I knew what the consensus FR response would be, and I share it to some degree. The willingness (of some of my favorite posters here) to drop the context in this case has me alarmed. We have been 'push button' warriors for so long, that we don't call it war, we don't ctually have to push the buttons ourselves, and we don't even recognize our responsibility in the things our leaders do in our name.
339 posted on 09/14/2001 8:22:57 AM PDT by gjenkins
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To: getoffmylawn
With all the respect getoffmylawn, but as you did mention KLA and Bosnian Muslim terrorists, you should have mentioned the Serb paramilitary terrorists of Mladic, Karadzic, Arkan, Martic. Because you don't express hatred towards Muslims concerning this latest tragedy, does not mean that you didn't express it regarding ex Yugoslavia. As though Serbs were innocent of war crimes. At least try to be fair a bit. Or you'r no better then those spewing hate.
340 posted on 09/14/2001 9:05:54 AM PDT by bluester
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