Posted on 09/13/2001 6:33:57 AM PDT by getoffmylawn
And lag time can be a bummer (so no harm done)
Look, I am willing to learn. If I can expand my understanding then I want to do so.
You said:
Not that the sources you referenced are totally off the deep end, but I think that the problems run much deeper than the cabal theory.
Can you provide sources that are accessible online for me to explore the "deeper" levels? If so, I want to do so.
I want retribution for this horrific attack, and I want ongoing suppression of attempts to commit future acts of terrorism against the US, by essentially any means necessary and effective to accomplish it.
That said:
(a) I don't perceive that getoffmylawn gave his post a straight up endorsement either by posting it or by his remark following the post, andI really do not like to perceive of the US as contributing to a vicious circle of unreasoning viciousness. For that reason I hope to see US foreign policy strictly guided by two principles: (a) the golden rule and (b) speak softly and carry a big stick. In other words, let us not be arrogant, unreasoned, and/or vicious. Let us treat others fairly and consistently and let us stay out of their affairs which do not concern us. But when the chips are down, when others even think about not treating us as respectfully as we have treated them, then the whole world needs to know that we have both the means and the will to let nothing stop us from having our way.(b) The article is not completely fallacious. Some implementations of US foreign policy have been both arrogant and frivolous. Particularly during the Clintoon years our behavior was almost always unreasoned and sometimes bordered on insanity (our behavior was in fact Clintoonian). Arrogant, unreasoned, vicious behavior undoubtedly has created enemies, some of whom are arrogant, unreasoned, vicious people.
Eliminate those leaders, the mullahs and fanatics like Bin Laden and the vast majority of these people will live peaceful and contended lives.
The biggest political mistake this country ever made was by Jimmy Carter, who toppled the Shah of Iran, who was the undesputed leader of all of the middle east, by supporting the exciled Iatollah KHomeini(SP). This allowed Iran's fanatical leader to take controll and spread their evil thru out the middle eastern countries.
You have hit the nail on the head: These "patriotic" and "macho" hysterics are actually a sign of feminization.
These people consistently speak in terms of push-button war from the air. They care nothing about what happens in the world, or to America, in the coming decades, whereas real masculinity is concerned about the long-term. It is typical of the homosexual, state-worshipping, fascist mentality not to care about the long run. Remember the fascistic, homosexual Keynes's dictum, when asked about the long-run implications of his money-printing nostrums: "In the long run, we are all dead."
They don't want to hear anything about American behavior that might actually have aroused hatred for America. Our killing of millions of people through bombs and starvation during the past fifteen years has nothing to do with it!
These "patriotic," "macho" people who are screaming for blood and bombs and destruction are having a screaming, epicene hissy fit. They are a symptom of the feminization of our society--only this feminization in their case is disguised by the fact that they are calling for blood.
Unfortunately, many here seem oblivious to your meaning. Our "educational" system, implemented by the socialist Dewey and his fellow travelers, seems to have succeeded beyond their wildest imaginings.
I fear that we have just witnessed our "Reichstag Fire".
The biggest political (sic!) mistake this country ever made has to install the Shah of Iran by CIA coup under Eisenhower. Or maybe it was to arm Saddam Hussein against Khomeini under Reagan. Or maybe it was to arm the Mugdaheddin under Reagan against the Soviets. Or maybe it was to attack Saddam Hussein under Bush the Elder. Or maybe it was to bomb Hussein under Clinton. Or to attempt to bribe the Isrealis and Palestinians into accepting a peace deal under Clinton.
STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES AFFAIRS AND THEY WILL STAY OUT OF YOURS.
The biggest political (sic!) mistake this country ever made was to install the Shah of Iran by CIA coup under Eisenhower. Or maybe it was to arm Saddam Hussein against Khomeini under Reagan. Or maybe it was to arm the Mugahaddin under Reagan against the Soviets. Or maybe it was to attack Saddam Hussein under Bush the Elder. Or maybe it was to bomb Hussein under Clinton. Or maybe it was to attempt to bribe the Isrealis and Palestinians into accepting a peace deal under Clinton.
STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES' AFFAIRS AND THEY WILL STAY OUT OF YOURS.
You have hit the nail on the head: These "patriotic" and "macho" hysterics are actually a sign of feminization.
These people consistently speak in terms of push-button war from the air. They care nothing about what happens in the world, or to America, in the coming decades, whereas real masculinity is concerned about the long-term. It is typical of the homosexual, state-worshipping, fascist mentality not to care about the long run. Remember the fascistic, homosexual Keynes's dictum, when asked about the long-run implications of his money-printing nostrums: "In the long run, we are all dead."
They don't want to hear anything about American behavior that might actually have aroused hatred for America. Our killing of millions of people through bombs and starvation during the past fifteen years has nothing to do with it!
These "patriotic," "macho" people who are screaming for blood and bombs and destruction are having a screaming, epicene hissy fit. They are a symptom of the feminization of our society--only this feminization in their case is disguised by the fact that they are calling for blood.
Doublethink.
Your arrogant claim to the "high ground" in this argument is a wonder to behold. Either we agree with you, or we're a bunch of bloodthirsty pansies.
Bite me.
Your arrogant claim to the "high ground" in this argument is a wonder to behold. Either we agree with you, or we're a bunch of bloodthirsty pansies.
Bite me.
I have been struggling for the right adjective for these people whose response to all this is "kill, kill, kill" and "bomb-them-back-to-the-stone-age" and "kill them all, women and children first" and "we must inflict pain" and "send them to hell," etc.
You have hit the nail on the head: These "patriotic" and "macho" hysterics are actually a sign of feminization.
These people consistently speak in terms of push-button war from the air. They care nothing about what happens in the world, or to America, in the coming decades, whereas real masculinity is concerned about the long-term. It is typical of the homosexual, state-worshipping, fascist mentality not to care about the long run. Remember the fascistic, homosexual Keynes's dictum, when asked about the long-run implications of his money-printing nostrums: "In the long run, we are all dead."
They don't want to hear anything about American behavior that might actually have aroused hatred for America. Our killing of millions of people through bombs and starvation during the past fifteen years has nothing to do with it!
These "patriotic," "macho" people who are screaming for blood and bombs and destruction are having a screaming, epicene hissy fit. They are a symptom of the feminization of our society--only this feminization in their case is disguised by the fact that they are calling for blood.
If that's what you think, then you are very shallow. Understanding does not mean approving. Psychologists regularly "understand" sick minds - without being sick themselves. Just because I understand something does NOT mean I approve or like it. Without understanding, we cannot properly deal with the problem.
The knuckle draggers are out in force today. After they have read Fred Reeds article. They are going to be primed for my next post.
165 Posted on 09/13/2001 08:51:50 PDT by BlueLancer
This is just another of his pre-fab posts; he's has his manure spreader out on at least one other thread.
Only if your definition of "apologist" is someone who fails to abandon reason in the face of horror. I could say there are a surprising number of "rabid warmongers" here this week, however to tell you the truth I really don't blame anyone for going into that mode in this situation. The only thing that holds me back is the belief that any "unbridled, unthinking response" will simply be steered in such a direction as to serve some other, third party's, interest, and not necessarily towards achieving true justice.
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