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Posted on 09/12/2001 7:12:16 AM PDT by Patriot

Full House today! We they declare War against Terrorism today?


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Post your comments on today's session. At 14:00 today a joint resolution will be delivered.
1 posted on 09/12/2001 7:12:16 AM PDT by Patriot
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To: Patriot
I just heard them lay out the agenda for today. It is going to take them the next 8-10 hours to decide to denounce yesterdays actions, typical yada-yada-yada BS. Could they be any more ineffectual.

Just declare war, so we can kick the tires and start the fires.

2 posted on 09/12/2001 7:18:11 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Patriot
From what I am hearing, I fully expect the United States Congress to declare this as an Act of War against the United States. This is not only my conclusion, but also that of many news reporters....
3 posted on 09/12/2001 7:18:23 AM PDT by DJ88
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To: Patriot
I just heard them lay out the agenda for today. It is going to take them the next 8-10 hours to decide to denounce yesterdays actions, typical yada-yada-yada BS. Could they be any more ineffectual.

Just declare war, so we can kick the tires and light the fires on our bombers and attack aircraft.

4 posted on 09/12/2001 7:19:13 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Patriot

Tuesday, September 11, 2001

Don’t Look for the Terrorists

By Bruce Herschensohn

(First published July 12, 1996)

Editor’s Note: In terms of size and scope, today’s terrorist strikes in New York City and Washington are unprecedented in our nation’s history. President Bush vowed that the United States “will hunt down and pursue those responsible for these cowardly actions.” We certainly hope so, and we have every confidence that the Commander in Chief will defend American liberty at home and abroad. But this not the first time American lives have been lost at the hands of masked fanatics. Five years ago, agents of Osama Bin Ladin’s terrorist organization attacked a U.S. base in Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans and injuring 60 others. Shortly after that, Claremont Insitute Distinguished Fellow Bruce Herschensohn wrote a commentary urging then-President Clinton to declare war on “the Nation of Terrorism.” Although today’s events are quite different in magnitude, the principle is the same. We reprint Herschensohn’s original article here.


President Clinton said that he will dispatch FBI agents to Saudi Arabia to help in the investigation into who committed the terrorist act, and he said he would “make sure that those responsible for this hideous act are brought to justice.”  That was seven months ago, last November 13, when a terrorist attack killed five Americans and injured 60 others in Saudi Arabia.

On June 25, 1996, after it was reported that another bomb blast killed 19 Americans and injured 105 more in Saudi Arabia, President Clinton said that he will dispatch FBI agents to Saudi Arabia to help in the investigation to find out who committed the terrorist act and he said “those who did it must be brought to justice.”

Forget it.

The Saudis captured and beheaded four terrorists who might have been involved in last November’s attack, but it resulted in little if any deterrence. If we are serious about stopping terrorism against Americans we must fight terrorism as we fight a war. When a hand-grenade lands in a foxhole in a battle, there is no attempt to find who threw it because it’s irrelevant. The enemy must be attacked as a whole.

When President Franklin Roosevelt requested a declaration of war against the Empire of Japan, he did not say, “Yesterday we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, and we are going to do everything possible to find out who those individual pilots, navigators, and bombardiers were, and bring them to justice.” That would have been a guarantee that we would have lost the war. Those individuals were nothing more than tools of a larger enemy.

The larger enemy today is the Nation of Terrorism. It is irrelevant if an individual group responsible for a particular attack is called “The Movement for Islamic Change” or “The Tigers of the Gulf” or some other name. Upon which terrorist group should we retaliate? Any of them.

President Clinton should call a Joint Session of the Congress to request a declaration of war against terrorism, and “that from this day forward, the United States of America will regard terrorism as a sovereign state—as a nation in itself. The Nation of Terrorism is a chain of bases, training camps, safe houses, and other facilities that dot portions of the map of the world, going into and out of other sovereign states. The non-contiguous configuration that the Nation of Terrorism has enjoyed has been a shield, since its citizens-by-choice have assumed that they would always be regarded as part of other sovereign states that surrounded them. That shield must be a thing of the past.”

“I am not,” the president should announce, “requesting a declaration of war against Iran or Iraq or Libya or Syria or Cuba or North Korea or Sudan, but against the bases of terrorism within those countries and other countries, as long as those governments permit such bases to exist within their borders.

“As Commander in Chief, I will see to it that if any American is terrorized—indeed, if one hair on the head of an American is touched in hostility—there will be an immediate retaliation by the Government of the United States of America. Our military will be directed to strike at an unannounced terrorist target we think appropriate within the archipelago of ‘islands’ that have been built and inhabited within the existing borders of other sovereign states.

“This will be a clear edict that we are no longer searching for individual terrorists alone when we can find them, but instead, we are at war against Terrorism and we have found it. We must recognize that the Nation of Terrorism has already declared war against the United States and our nation will not allow that to continue.

“If terrorists feel that our retaliatory policy puts them at risk of being targeted for individual acts of terrorism that they did not commit, there is only one option for their future safety: get out of the terrorism business.

“My fellow Americans, our policy of searching is done. A new policy of swift and sure and severe retaliation against the Nation of Terrorism will be in immediate effect after you in the Congress make such a formal declaration. Let that declaration be a warning, the only warning to be given, that the citizens of the United States are to be secure against violence on their person wherever they travel throughout the world.”


Bruce Herschensohn is a Distinguished Fellow with the Claremont Institute



5 posted on 09/12/2001 7:25:32 AM PDT by LTCJ
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To: Nitro
Typical f*cking politicians....gonna stand around for 10 hours listening to each other blow hot air and then everyone will sign-on to a document that says "we think this was bad...we condemn it.."...that will make us all feel better now won't it?
6 posted on 09/12/2001 7:25:46 AM PDT by freeper12
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To: freeper12
Exactly what I was thinking, they will all step up and weep. All to afraid what really needs to be said

"this time justice will come at the tip of a bayonet!"

7 posted on 09/12/2001 7:29:25 AM PDT by Nitro
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I just received this e-mail from my daughter in law.

hi.....absolutely horrible what has happened...it took a long time but finally got through to all my family down there and they are okay. My cousin got out of her taxi in front of tower 1, saw the plane hit the building and got right back in and tried to get home....my other cousin works in a building right next to the towers and saw everything, said ti was terrible, she is extremely upset as she knows she lost dozens and dozens of friends. Her business just moved out of the towers last year. My dad is a mess, he is in Florida right now and got news that he lost over 100 of his men on the towers....and even though he no longer works for ATT, they are contacting him down there because he is only one in a hand full that had national security to recover and open what they call their equivalent to a "black box"....he does not know what to do because his company is a mess with loosing so many men and now he may not have a choice but to go with ATT, looks like military is going to get him and bring him up here asap...i am sooo confused as he is, i feel so bad for my dad....we will let you know more when we know..talk to you soon love you all...

8 posted on 09/12/2001 7:29:35 AM PDT by A+Bert (Outta here)
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To: Nitro
The word "WAR" is used multiple times throughout the resolution. Personally, I think that's enough to make it a formal declaration, and I doubt any member of Congress will object if he takes it that way.
9 posted on 09/12/2001 7:33:23 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: Nitro
The resolution is more than a "terrorist are bad, the end" thing. Look at #9.
10 posted on 09/12/2001 7:34:58 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: A+Bert
I never had a chance to ask: Does this feel like Pearl Harbor to you?
11 posted on 09/12/2001 7:35:43 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Tree of Liberty
It is definitly time to thin the herd. When we get done it will be called Af-GONE-istan!
12 posted on 09/12/2001 7:36:36 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Patriot
"I am exceedingly sorry to learn that the enemy are committing such cruel depredations... however, it may tend to produce immoveable hatred against so detestable a nation and thereby strengthen our Union." --Thomas Jefferson to Cols. Skinner and Garrard, 1781. ME 4:410, Papers 5:4

"[It is a] sacred principle, that in opposing foreign wrong there must be but one mind." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New York Tammany Society, 1808. ME 16:303

"Any free nation has a right to punish those who have done them an injury... While I advise [another nation] like an affectionate friend to avoid unnecessary war, I do not assume the right of restraining[them] from punishing [their] enemies." --Thomas Jefferson to John Baptist de Coigne, 1781. (*) ME 16:373, Papers 6:61

It is time . . . lock and load!


13 posted on 09/12/2001 7:36:36 AM PDT by gatorman
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And one of these blowhard assholes just spent his time on the House floor yapping about the urgent need to build the Capitol Visitor Center - to ensure We The People are kept at bay and that their sorry asses are secure.

Offer a resolution of War, get a second, call for cloture, call a vote. 30 minutes max. Instead, we get a full day of bloviating bullshit.

Yeah, we get our money's worth from these people. I say we organize a nationwide tax protest, refusing to withold or send in any more money, if they keep screwing around. To wit: Chuck the Schmuck is on Fox now, the leftist bastard.

14 posted on 09/12/2001 7:36:54 AM PDT by Hank Rearden
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To: Nitro
Sen Schumer taking up time by wanting to be heard. He says nothing!
15 posted on 09/12/2001 7:36:57 AM PDT by Patriot
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To: Nitro
I pray to God that he uses us as the vehicle of His vengence.


16 posted on 09/12/2001 7:40:20 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: Patriot
Schumie is so full of shit, it comes out of his mouth!
17 posted on 09/12/2001 7:41:26 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Patriot
How could any American have retained faith in the intelligence community after learning about the grossly clandestine and risky behavior of Congressman Gary Condit who sits on the Permanent House Intelligence Committee - and who remains on the committee even after the public exposure of his disregard for national security? I am watching Congress in session now and cannot be impressed with their so-called seriousness and bi-partisan resolve following the attacks yesterday. They were out to lunch about national security the day before - not a whit of resolve to clean their own house of weakness, incompetence and vulnerability. Condit represents them ALL as long as he remains on Capitol Hill. The failure of the intelligence community is the failure of Congress.
18 posted on 09/12/2001 7:42:38 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Cyber Liberty
It feels worse. We didn't have TV back then and no one even heard of Pearl Harbor. We expected to slap the japs and have it over with in two weeks. This really has hit home sooner and harder.

The sons of bitches did a kob on us. I hope we don't have to end up like them to win. I think we can win without loosing our soul. Meanwhile it is good for people to vent.

19 posted on 09/12/2001 7:44:58 AM PDT by A+Bert (Outta here)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I spoke with an elderly uncle of mine who was at Pearl on the USS Oklahoma. He said to him this is worse because there are gonna be more casualties and the enemy is too cowardly to show their collective faces. The largest single day loss of American lives in WAR since Antietam/Sharpsburg some 149 years ago. Plus with the advent of technology all of this was brought right into evry living room in our country and the world. My mother says it feels worse to her too and she remembers Pearl as a 12 year old.
20 posted on 09/12/2001 7:45:46 AM PDT by wardaddy
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