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To: Texaggie79, A Navy Vet
Yes Uriel. You so out class me. (halt for laughter)

Yes, I do.

I appreciate your desire to save face, but you can't bluff when your opponent knows as well as you do you're holding a Seven-High poker hand, Tex. I'm simply observing a fact.

Your pride is unchristian, first off. But I'll let God deal with you on that one.

Observations of fact are not expressions of "pride". They're simply observations of fact.

Now as for Alaska, we need to drill there, but there is no way it can solely supply all our crude needs for the hundreds years to come.

Are Mr. Williams estimates correct?

Not being an industry expert, I'm not one to judge.
But I'd certainly be in favor of finding out.

I agree that Alaska needs to be opened up. But try getting that past the Liberals. Did you even see the last Zogby pole on it? You see this is why I say I deal with reality and you don't. You sit there with your "if only", while I understand that to even get a small amount of drilling in Alaska is a tremendous task. There is no other way to go about it. Do you just want to pretend that treehugger liberals don't exist in our nation? Or should we go kill them?

No, my short-sighted "realist" friend. You outmaneuver them.

Your so-called "realism" -- read, "mindless adherence to the status-quo policy of dependence on foreign oil and foreign military adventurism" -- amounts to stupidly undercutting a golden opportunity to divide the Left, setting Labor against Greens. How long do you think it would take for a united coalition of Conservatives and Labor to overcome the opposition of the Greens, especially with public opinion biased ever-more-strongly against Greens with gasoline at $2.00 - $2.50 a gallon?

Because you can count on this: if the United States embarks on a serious war of destruction against the oil-rich radical-Islamic states of the world, gas prices are going well over $2.00 a gallon. In a real War, that's probably extremely conservative on my part.

In that "environment", the environmentalists will rightly be seen as the enemies of the US Consumer and of US Labor. We will have another opportunity to renounce our reliance on foreign oil supplies, advocate the full development of our (almost mind-boggling) Alaskan reserves, and split the Left in the process. Don't let your imagined "realism" piss away yet again the opportunity to cut ourselves loose once and for all from the soft economic tyranny of the Oil dictators. Don't continue to blindly swallow the Interventionist line that we "need" the Middle East, so we "must" spend tens of billions a year maintaining an "active presence" in a region which hates us all the more the longer we stay there. These policies are blind, stupid, and counterproductive. Once this War is over, it will be high time for you to swallow your pride, admit your stupidity, and renounce your support of foreign military adventurism which has brought us NOTHING but blood and sorrow. Instead, for the love of your fellow-citizens, have the moral integrity and strength of will to carry the battle home to the political fields of the Unites States, setting our political enemies against eachother in a battle of "Union Jobs versus tundra mold" and build a genuinely self-sufficient energy infrastructure here, in the United States, rather than pretending that by your much-vaunted "realism" we can somehow maintain our Liberty and Security by the machinations of empire-building abroad -- a policy which, in fact, costs us both Liberty and Security, as a "realist" study of the history of the world's Empires would make immediately apparent even to your clouded mind...

...if you're not too blind to see it, that is, a bet on which I would not lay good odds.

As I said: Once this War is over, it will be high time for you to swallow your pride, admit your stupidity, and renounce your support of foreign military adventurism which has brought us NOTHING but blood and sorrow. Have the moral integrity and strength of will to carry the battle home to the political fields of the Unites States, setting our political enemies against eachother in a battle of "Union Jobs versus tundra mold" and build a genuinely self-sufficient energy infrastructure here, in the United States. Do NOT continue to support pissing this opportunity away on foreign wars.

375 posted on 09/13/2001 8:16:30 PM PDT by Uriel1975
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To: Uriel1975
You don't get it do you? Alaska is an experiment that we must fight for. But until then where the hell are we going to get oil? And what if the experiment shows that there is much less than expected?

Your asinine presumptions expose your hollow ideals. You are no more than a Monday morning quarterback, of course as a party that will never have power, that is all the LP consists of. In all your posts you have said NOTHING!

There should be no apologies for Iraq. Saddam is an evil that still needs to be defeated. Israel is an ally and we should assist it in it's time of need.

Face it, you have no valid argument, but you wish to assert yourself as an intellectual. You are one sad excuse for a human. And your baseless self amusement in your ability to debate illustrates your sad condition. I feel sorry for you really.

Christian you are not.

392 posted on 09/13/2001 10:38:17 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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