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To: DAnconia55
"Who Is saying we shouldn't bomb these people back into the Stone Age?"

Harry Browne who speaks for the Libertarian Party. If you agree with his statement: "Second, resolve that we won't let our leaders use this occasion to commit their own terrorist acts upon more innocent people, foreign and domestic, that will inspire more terrorist attacks in the future.", then you do not agree with "bomb these people back into the Stone Age".

"You liars and hypocrites are interesting... nothing's wrong and no attack takes place, and you dismiss our righteous claim to a return to Constitutionalism as pointless or as a isolationists.."

Your "righteous" call for a return to "Constitutionalism" is pointless and isolationist. You cannot hide your head in the sand from the evil these people commit in the world. If we will not stand with good men everywhere in the world who oppose this evil then we are a part of that evil.

"Then the fruits of your philosophy are borne out, and you still blame us.."

Any one who does not stand up against evil deserves blame. Bringing our troops home only means that others will have to stand alone in this fight. Only cowards take that course.

140 posted on 09/12/2001 6:21:50 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: DugwayDuke
Harry Browne who speaks for the Libertarian Party.

Actually, Mr. Browne is only the party's most recent presidential candidate but he does not speak officially for the party. Here is an extract from an official statement offered by the actual chairman of the LP, Mr. James W. Lark, earlier today:

The Libertarian Party condemns the vicious and barbaric attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. There is no excuse for such savage acts. No legitimate political or religious ideology can justify the murder of thousands of innocent people. These actions, and the revulsion they cause to all decent people around the world, demonstrate in the starkest way possible that the initiation of force is never an appropriate way to settle political or social differences. The result of such violence is more hatred, more grieving relatives and friends, more tombstones -- and, ultimately, more violence. Libertarians unequivocally reject the initiation of force as a solution to the disagreements between people and between governments.

The Libertarian Party calls for justice to be meted out to the terrorists responsible for the attacks. However, we encourage the United States government to be sure that any response is appropriate and measured. Action should not be taken that will cause innocent people in other countries to be killed because of the actions of terrorists. Such a response would only continue the cycle of violence and revenge.
(Emphases added. - BD)

You note that in the foregoing there is nothing that could be taken to mean we have no right to respond appropriately to Tuesday morning's act of war. Remember: the party stands officially against the initiation of force, and one would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know who initiated the force here - and it sure as hell was not American Airlines, either. (I would quibble with calling it "terrorist" attacks - it was an act of war, in plain language.) And "appropriate and measured" does not equate to "little or nothing," after all; we have been the victims of an obscene initiation of force and are entitled to respond appropriately - but "appropriate" does not mean mere wanton assault against Afghanistan; it does mean (it ought to mean) pronounced and profound military attack against Afghanistan's military capacity, that its ability to wage war of any sort against anyone is crippled even more profoundly. That is the view from this libertarian (lower case; I am registered to the LP but have had doubts about the party itself over a few months, and this is neither the time nor place to enunciate them).

But assuming Harry Browne speaks officially for the Libertarian Party is a mistake at least as profound as that mistake (which I remember only too well and too furiously leveled at the party in question) of assuming that anything out of Richard Nixon's mouth post-Watergate was official Republican comment; or, anything out of Jimmy Carter's mouth was official Democratic comment. Let Mr. Browne rant his bloody head off. But he is only a former candidate. He holds, to my knowledge, no official LP position and cannot be deemed an official LP spokesman.
150 posted on 09/12/2001 6:54:46 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: DugwayDuke
"Who Is saying we shouldn't bomb these people back into the Stone Age?"

Harry Browne who speaks for the Libertarian Party

No, he speaks for him. And he's wrong. If he's saying there should be no retaliation, he's dead wrong.

Your "righteous" call for a return to "Constitutionalism" is pointless

Thanks for admitting this. I wish more statist republicans would just come out and admit that they do not like the Constitution. It'd make debate much easier.

Bringing our troops home only means that others will have to stand alone in this fight. Only cowards take that course.

In WHICH fight? You mean in Serbia, Bosnia, Haiti, Somalia, South America?

Good. Let them stand alone, and defend their own nations and their own regions. That is how it is supposed to be.

154 posted on 09/12/2001 7:38:00 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DugwayDuke
You cannot hide your head in the sand from the evil these people commit in the world.

Not only that, some of us keep voting for them.

156 posted on 09/12/2001 7:42:17 PM PDT by Demidog
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