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Krauthammer: To War, Not to Court
Washington Post ^ | 09/12/2001 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 09/11/2001 9:00:04 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

This is not crime. This is war. One of the reasons there are terrorists out there capable and audacious enough to carry out the deadliest attack on the United States in its history is that, while they have declared war on us, we have in the past responded (with the exception of a few useless cruise missile attacks on empty tents in the desert) by issuing subpoenas.


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1 posted on 09/11/2001 9:00:04 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Secretary of State Colin Powell's first reaction to the day of infamy was to pledge to "bring those responsible to justice." This is exactly wrong.

I despise Charles Krauthammer, but he nailed this one on the head.

2 posted on 09/11/2001 9:06:21 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: Pokey78
Krauthammer is right about the middle east.. yet again.
3 posted on 09/11/2001 9:07:35 PM PDT by phothus
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To: Pokey78
This is not crime. This is war.

Thank you for saying what I have been saying for 20 years and repeating incessantly today. War, not Miranda rights, not OJ juries, not innocent until proven guilty, not this court will recess until 1 o'clock, not objections your honor, not ACLU, not some some silly constitutional amendment, war, my fellow small l libertarians. It's high time we distinguished between the things just mentioned and war. This is and has been war.

4 posted on 09/11/2001 9:08:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: SlickWillard
But when we do, there should be no talk of bringing these people to "swift justice," as Karen Hughes dismayingly promised mid-afternoon yesterday.

W hiding behind Karen Hughes's skirts was very nearly as despicable as Slick hiding behind Janet Reno after they torched eighty men, women, and children at Waco.

W is every bit as bad as we had feared.

5 posted on 09/11/2001 9:09:04 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: Pokey78
I'm not absolutely clear on how closely Osama Bin Laden is associated with the Taliban. If he is one of their officials and it is also determined that he is responsible for these terrorist attacks, then the US should demand that their government step down within 48 hours and that they produce Bin Laden in shackles.
6 posted on 09/11/2001 9:09:32 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: Pokey78 JohnHuang2
Find those who harbor terrorists and bomb them as if they wee also terrorists!

death to allah!! (which means death to the people who take their 'death to America' seriously)

7 posted on 09/11/2001 9:09:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SlickWillard
Can there be such a thing as a "just war"? Of course there can. We have better things to quibble about.
8 posted on 09/11/2001 9:13:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Post Toasties
I'm not absolutely clear on how closely Osama Bin Laden is associated with the Taliban. If he is one of their officials and it is also determined that he is responsible for these terrorist attacks, then the US should demand that their government step down within 48 hours and that they produce Bin Laden in shackles.

This is precisely the argument that Krauthammer is ridiculing. If the passports of the hijackers on those jets were issued by the Afghani government, then W must convene Congress, demand a declaration of war, obtain a declaration of war, and then go on world-wide television to inform the civilian population of Afghanistan that they have 24 hours to evacuate their cities, after which time said cities will cease to exist.

9 posted on 09/11/2001 9:16:17 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: Pokey78
They have a very specific aim: to avenge alleged historical wrongs and to bring the great American satan to its knees.

With due respect to Mr. Krauthammer (who is always spot on), I don't see how flying planes into 3 buildings (even three very important buildings like the WTC and the Pentagon) could possibly bring America to its knees. Given this, the attack seems senseless. There seems to have been no strategic purpose behind the attack, except to kill as many innocent people as possible in as public a way as possible. Thus, in intent and effect, the act was a symbolic act of madmen. In fact, the only thing that has been accomplished by the attack is to focus America's resolve in destroying terrorism and the terrorists who carry it out. So perhaps someone could explain, given the deviousness with which the attack was carried out, how could people so tactically clever, engage in an action that will have such dire strategic consequences for them and their goals?

10 posted on 09/11/2001 9:17:59 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: SlickWillard
W hiding behind Karen Hughes's skirts was very nearly as despicable as Slick hiding behind Janet Reno after they torched eighty men, women, and children at Waco.

You are an idiot. President Bush was in the hands of the Secret Service.

W is every bit as bad as we had feared.

President Bush has acted masterfully. Your WE must be the wee willard in your pants.

11 posted on 09/11/2001 9:18:55 PM PDT by onyx
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To: SlickWillard
Well, since the chances of the Taliban, being what they are, accepting the conditions I mentioned are slim to none, the US has further justification to clean the place out, possibly with tactical nukes when they refuse.
12 posted on 09/11/2001 9:22:46 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: onyx
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13 posted on 09/11/2001 9:24:00 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: Post Toasties
when they refuse

But Krauthammer's point, which is a point I've been trying to make to my friends and family all day, is that in war you don't ask for permission to kill your enemy. Truman didn't place a long distance call to Tokyo and ask, "Mr. Tojo, may I please have your permission to wipe Hiroshima and Nagasaki from the face of the earth?"

14 posted on 09/11/2001 9:27:35 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: SlickWillard
Secretary of State Colin Powell's first reaction to the day of infamy was to pledge to "bring those responsible to justice." This is exactly wrong

Krauthammer's exactly right: Colin Powell is wrong.

GW could replace Powell any day and I wouldn't shed one tear. At best, he's pedestrian and lackluster. Today was not one of Powell's best...either infuse him with testosterone, hide him in back of a state department closet or replace him.

15 posted on 09/11/2001 9:37:59 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: vbmoneyspender
Such attacks can accomplish quite a bit, if they get away with them. If they gain adherants because of their success, they're emboldened to launch more aggressive and effective attacks. And what if they get nukes? Do you seriously believe a group like that wouldn't use them on the US?
16 posted on 09/11/2001 9:40:12 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: vbmoneyspender
"how could people so tactically clever, engage in an action that will have such dire strategic consequences for them and their goals?"

Ask Tojo the same question re: Pearl Harbor. Ask Hitler the same question re: attack on USSR. Ask the Dems re: nomination of algore.

Stupid is as stupid does. Evil is as evil does. Scorpions sting because they can, it is their nature.

17 posted on 09/11/2001 9:41:36 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Post Toasties
And what if they get nukes? Do you seriously believe a group like that wouldn't use them on the US?

WHEN they get nukes, they will use them. They have shown that today. The only question is, will we stop them now, or wait for the nuke.

18 posted on 09/11/2001 9:44:47 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Post Toasties
And what if they get nukes? Do you seriously believe a group like that wouldn't use them on the US?

Our response to today's act of war should be of sufficient force as to convince 'a group like that' not to even think about using nukes.

19 posted on 09/11/2001 9:45:03 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Pokey78
W hiding behind Karen Hughes's skirts was very nearly as despicable as Slick hiding behind Janet Reno after they torched eighty men, women, and children at Waco.

W is every bit as bad as we had feared.

Oh please!!! Would a Clintonesque performance, biting his lip, forcing out some crocodile tears, and telling us he feels our pain, have made you feel better?? It was obvious that GWB was taking the advice of his security/military advisors in keeping his whereabouts secret. He addressed the nation twice, not live, but it's hard to imagine everything that must have been going on in Air Force One. There has never been an incident like this on American soil, ever.

Personally, I felt secure knowing that the President was in constant contact with Cheney, cabinet members, etc. AND that he was in a safe location.

20 posted on 09/11/2001 9:46:03 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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