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CIA Linking Arab States to Attack
newsmax ^ | September 11, 2001 | newsmax

Posted on 09/11/2001 2:25:31 PM PDT by Tarakotchi

A CIA sourece tells NewsMax that there are only a handful of countries that could have been involved.

Experts already believe that terrorists commandeered the jet aircraft that slammed into the Twin Towers and other targets.

Believing no U.S. pilot would do this, the belief is that the pilots were killed and qualified terrorist/pilots were used.

So far, planes used in the attacks were Boeing 767 and 757 models.

According to our source, the list of possible training sites, with simulators, are very few in the Islamic world.

The following countries or airlines have simulators capable of training pilots for such planes: Ethiopian Air, Ethiopian Air, Egypt Air, Gulf Air, Turkmenistan Air, Azerbaijan Air, Kenya Air, and the Saudi Airlines. There may be others, but this information may help narrow the list of suspects.


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I was wondering to what extent the pilots would cooperate with the hijackers (and why? to live a few minutes longer?).
1 posted on 09/11/2001 2:25:31 PM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: Tarakotchi
So is the concept that the suicide bombers were then trained here as pilots or is it that qualified pilots already trained here were recruited as suicide bombers?
2 posted on 09/11/2001 2:29:32 PM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: Tarakotchi
Airplanes are not difficult to fly, or navigate for that matter. Since these aircraft were hijacked while enroute, the need for complex systems knowledge, or the ability to land and takeoff is marginal. I don't think the terrorists would have to attend classes at FlightSafety to pull this off.

I wouldn't doubt that MS Flight Sim provides enough "resolution" to effectively train a squadron of Mr. Towelys for this mission.

3 posted on 09/11/2001 2:35:05 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Tarakotchi
I've heard from a couple of different people today that Iraq was claiming responsibility. But I'm not seeing any confirmation of that. Has anyone heard that?
4 posted on 09/11/2001 2:38:53 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: Tarakotchi
So far, planes used in the attacks were Boeing 767 and 757 models.

I believe the cockpits are nearly identical in these planes, which means they would have only needed to train the terrorists on one type.

5 posted on 09/11/2001 2:40:11 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Dead Dog
I wouldn't doubt that MS Flight Sim provides enough "resolution" to effectively train a squadron of Mr. Towelys for this mission.

Not only the resolution, but the frequencies and locations of navigation aids are accurate.

6 posted on 09/11/2001 2:44:11 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
People have no idea how realistic under-$50 flight sims (that have specific modules for practically every commercial airliner) are.

YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT need a real airline simulator to train someone to fly 4-5 minutes and hit a large building in perfect weather conditions.

7 posted on 09/11/2001 2:46:18 PM PDT by John H K
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And if it in fact turns out the terrorists were flying the plane early on, you don't need a real simulator to train someone to fly several hundred miles in perfect weather to hit a large building, either.
8 posted on 09/11/2001 2:50:29 PM PDT by John H K
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To: John H K
I've thought about the hijackers/suicide bombers taking over in the last minutes, but why would the pilots cooperate in getting the plane pointed at the WTC? It would be obvious what was intended.
9 posted on 09/11/2001 2:51:12 PM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: John H K
YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT need a real airline simulator to train someone to fly 4-5 minutes and hit a large building in perfect weather conditions."

After being commandeered, the planes that originated in Boston would've had to fly 100-150 miles under terrorist control, after leaving their flight plan. It also would've been necessary to bring them down from approximately 20-25,000 ft., under control, before turning and directing them into the World Trade Center towers.

Sounds to me like a job for a qualified pilot with some degree of training on the equipment or in a simulator...

10 posted on 09/11/2001 2:55:40 PM PDT by okie01
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To: John H K
My above reply was to your #7. I'm not so sure about your claim in #8 (apparently, according to the newsmax article the CIA thinks they would need to be qualified pilots and not Flight Simulator amateurs; although I could imagine it wouldn't have to be exactly the same aircraft if you skip takeoff and landing).
11 posted on 09/11/2001 2:55:59 PM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: Tarakotchi
If the CIA and the FBI are so smart- How come they didn't stop the attack. Their info is worth s--it. PS throw in the Pentagon.
12 posted on 09/11/2001 2:56:25 PM PDT by A+Bert (Outta here)
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To: Tarakotchi
Far from obvious. They tell you to fly to "New York" you fly to the vicinity of New York. Previous hijackings have ended up as hostage crises on the ground, planes trying to fly to Cuba, etc.
13 posted on 09/11/2001 2:56:39 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Dead Dog
Agreed. It's not very difficult to fly a plane once it's in the air. The controls are simple to understand. But I have no doubt that these guys had some training. They were able to get the right headings and altitude, and these targets were not accidental.
14 posted on 09/11/2001 3:01:32 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: lasereye
I just posted this on another thread, so my apologies if someone has already read this, but I thought it might be relevant to this thread too:

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11 September 2001

Who is the DFLP?

1515 GMT, 010911

The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) has reportedly claimed responsibility for the attacks on the World Trade Center. This report, fromm a television station in Abu Dhabi, in unconfirmed.

The DFLP was formed in 1969 with an estimated membership of 500. It was originally based in Syria, but the location of its current headquarters are unknown. The DFLP receives financial and military aid from Syria and Libya. It operates in Syria, Lebanon, Israel and the occupied territories. Its leader is Naif Hawatmeh, according to Israeli-based Interdisciplinary Center.

The group was largely dormant from 1988 until this summer, when it claimed responsibility for an Aug. 25 attack against an Israeli military post in the Gaza Strip that left three Israeli soldiers dead. This attack was the first instance of Palestinians successfully using conventional military-style tactics.

Before this year, DFLP operations have always taken place either inside Israel or the West Bank and Gaza. Typical acts include minor bombings and grenade attacks, as well as operations to seize hostages and attempts to negotiate the return of Israeli- held Palestinian prisoners.

The group split from the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) years ago, but reconciled with the PFLP - and with Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat - in August 1999.

The attacks differ significantly from the DFLP's previous methods of operation. Likewise, the resources and infrastructure necessary for such attacks are far beyond the group's traditional means. Either the DFLP's claims are spurious, or it has joined forces with other groups.



15 posted on 09/11/2001 3:02:16 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: A+Bert
"...if FBI, CIA, Pentagon... so smart...."

I've no doubt that if the US desired to sneak attack any target in the world that it could do so. If you allow us to use anything as a weapon and pick the target and time of our choosing, then more than buildings will come down.

The point: against a determined enemy, foiling a clandestine attack is purely a matter of luck.

16 posted on 09/11/2001 3:02:59 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Tarakotchi
The following countries or airlines have simulators capable of training pilots for such planes: Ethiopian Air, Ethiopian Air, Egypt Air, Gulf Air, Turkmenistan Air, Azerbaijan Air,Kenya Air, and the Saudi Airlines. There may be others, but this information may help narrow the list of suspects.

Just as an indication that the usual purveying of worthless crap by Newsmax has gone into overdrive now, I'd point out that:

1) Ethiopia is about 40% Christian, 40% Muslim, and 10% Animist, and

2) My Almanac shows the religion of Kenya as "38% Protestant, 28% Roman Catholic, and 26% Indigenous Beliefs" with no mention of any Muslims at all.

But hey, they're furriners, their skin is darker than ours, they talk funny, so they must be guilty and we should nuke them just to be careful, right?

17 posted on 09/11/2001 3:03:34 PM PDT by John H K
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To: A+Bert
I agree! I've been wondering how these acts were accomplished, with regard to the piloting of the aircraft, and posted this article only to get some discussion, not because I think it's particularly worthy. There seems to be a broad range of interpretation that the perpetrators were either rank amateurs or highly qualified pilots.

The article itself has sort of a specious or circular logic. The fact that the Arab states could have produced qualified pilots proves that it was the Arab states.

If indeed the kamikaze pilots were well trained this implies a much higher level of organization that might be easier to trace and possible collusion of airline resources.

18 posted on 09/11/2001 3:11:48 PM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: Tarakotchi
Could they use computer Flight Simulator software to train?
19 posted on 09/11/2001 3:14:03 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Tarakotchi
I will briefly add to this thread to propose an alternative.

Piloting a big multi-engine plane "free hand" is not something that a typical civilian private pilot can do. There were only two airlines chosen and two types of Boeing jets. Each airline, chooses the cockpit instrumentation package it wants for its airplanes and they differ from airline to airline and from plane to plane. Even engine throttle controls on 747's use to differ from company to company. So the limited number of airlines and plane types tells me something.

Second, do your really need a skilled pilot? All of the planes have autopilots that could have a predetermined location and altitude programmed into them and then the autopilot reconnected.

Having said that I would say that the circling of the World Trade Towers was probably the work of a skilled human pilot and probably not the original pilot who worked for the airline. An examination of the video should tell quite abit about his/her flying skills. I have not seen the video. In looking at which simulators were used someone may want to contact Boeing and find out which of the various simulators most closely resemble the actual cockpit controls of the two airlines and two types of aircraft used in this terrorist act.

20 posted on 09/11/2001 3:39:14 PM PDT by Robert357
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