Property Rights is not just a Western problem

See Article Text | 11 September, 2001 | brityank

[NovemberCharlie]

"There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who 'love Nature' while deploring the 'artificialities' with which 'Man has spoiled "Nature." ' The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of 'Nature' -- but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the 'Naturist' reveals his hatred for his own race -- i.e. his own self-hatred." -Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough For Love

[farmfriend]

Thanks for the flag, bump.

[brityank]

My question is what about Homesteading the land. Could they still do a PDR on you?

Not all states have Homestead laws; I think NY is one of them. I know that Texas does; that is one reason it is tough to get land mortgages down there. (Ex-MIL owns a plot there.)

As to the taxes, that has been done successfully in a number of jurisdictions close to population centers purely for harassment and a forced sale. City Hall has unlimited (taxpayer) funds; farmers don't.

[brityank]

My neighbors would know they tried to screw the wrong ole boy.

Mr. G. had a great veggie garden on the upwind side of his 'neighbors', and he kept it well fertilised from his dairy herd. Neighborhood never had a stray dog or cat problem, either. LOL.

[brityank]

Great quote; Thanks. I knew Heinlein felt The Moon was a Harsh Mistress, I didn't know he had farm troubles there too. :^)

[Arthalion]

Ah, but it is indeed a fine line to walk. My own home area in the California Central Valley happens to sit squarely in the middle of some of the most fertile soil on the planet. About 15 years ago some of the Bay Area libs decided that they'd priced their market all to hell, and started a building boom that's continued up until recently. Thousands upon thousands of acres of irreplaceable farmland were lost. Worse yet, as the Bay Area libs started moving into their shiny new mansions, they started signifigantly driving up the costs of the existing housing market. I have watched as small conservative town after small conservative town disappeared under a crush of cookie cutter subdivisions, and minivan driving soccer mom liberals. The town I grew up in, which was still a close knit community of 3000 with 20 churches and two police officers, where nobody locked their doors well into the mid 1980's, no longer exists today. It's now a pop. 20,000 liberal bedroom community full of gated subdivisions, where half the churches have closed due to non-attendance and gang graffitti decorated the walls. They even tore down the veterans memorial in the city park to expand the freaking sandbox.

One of the only effective methods we've found to curtail this "liberal invasion" and keep builders from turning this valley into one big city like they did in the South Bay was by voter implemented no-growth initiatives and opt-in sales of property development rights. I support these measures wholeheartedly, even though I consider myself a conservative. Why? Because even though my new hometown is signifigantly larger than my old one, I have no interest in sitting idly by while it grows into a new Los Angeles. I made money as a kid by doing hand work for local farmers, so I can certainly understand their concerns and their dissapointment in having some of their usage rights restricted. But shouldn't residents of a city or county have a say in its future? When a farmer who's only profiting $50k or $60k a year off of an orchard is offered $1 million+ by a developer wanting to turn it into another series of tract homes, some would say that he should have the right to do that. But what about the rights of the farmer next door who will now have his spraying and equipment use rights curtailed because it's a "nuisance" to the residential neighborhood next door?

It's ultimately a lose-lose situation, where nobody can ever be completely satisfied.

[B4Ranch]

But what about the rights of the farmer next door who will now have his spraying and equipment use rights curtailed because it's a "nuisance" to the residential neighborhood next door?

This is easily solved, all it takes is a City engineer who tells the new builder that he needs to leave a 300 feet border next to active farms.

[brityank]

Bump to the ping lists.

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[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"In their federal lawsuit, which brings up causes of action that are complementary to those in state court, they emphasize that the government cannot create a sub-class of people."

NC, That is ILLEGAL!! Yet, governments do it all the time with their "anti-discrimination" laws. Thanks for the post.

ALL the luck to these people in their actions against godgov. They will need luck when it comes to finding judges that will follow the actual law as written rather than following "precedent" of "case law". Lawyers have been taught for years now that "case law" IS the law. A shame!! Yet, there are many precedents that actually follow the wording of the actual law, so there IS hope. And giving lawmaking power over to "Non-Governmental-Organizations" is NOT legal under a representative form of government. Peace and love, George.

[sauropod]

Thanks for the ping! Will use.

Deus Volt! 'Pod

[editor-surveyor]

ping time for property rights.

[editor-surveyor]

ping time for property rights.

[MeekOneGOP]

BIG Texas BUMP!

[rintense]

Thanks for the PING. I feel for anyone going through this right now. In the future, I hope to own a fair piece of land and hope to God above that these enviro wackos will have gone the way of the dinosaur.

We had a case not too long ago where the city used the 'imminent domain' rule and basically force a well-establish block of homes demolished just to put in a parking lot. It was truly sad to see all those families lose what they had worked so long for.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

Extremely important issue. Thanks for the ping!!! Bookmarking this one! Incase anyone I know ever needs it!

PS. My elderly Father has fought the county on more than one occassion regarding his property rights. He has always won. But they have sure tried to give him grief!! He stood by his guns though, and I'm so proud of him. Washington State has some of the WORST laws regarding private property in the United States!!

[rdavis84]

"ALL the luck to these people in their actions against godgov."

It's getting past the point of being able to fight them in any way but the most primitive.

They fight us with "the system" using our earnings. All we have left to fight them with is

[Publius6961]

Forcing other people to do your bidding, or taking their property throught the power of government is called "rent-seeking".

There is only one cure for it.

Ever wonder why no movie or "progressive" play is ever made about Mohammed or Islam? Ever?

[mercy]

You are right about it no longer just being a problem in the 'West'. It's happening everywhere.

San Antonio Tx is pretty much under the control of the environmentalist wacko faction due to a completely bogus ground water scam.

Vast areas around Austin have been allowed to become overgrown weed patches inundated by a noxious bush called Ash Juniper. Non indigenous and toxic to indigenous herbs and trees it is choking the land and is now protected because a bird uses its bark to build nests.

Land owners have been ruined and their land rendered useless. It's an evil usurpation of the constitutional rights of America and it is not even slowing but rather gathering speed and force.

[Tauzero]

bump for property rights!

Where there is no property, there is no freedom.