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PARENTS IN HS SEX ROMP: Wiens under scrutiny of child protection office
Journal News ^ | 9/10/01 | Phil Reisman

Posted on 09/10/2001 8:20:25 PM PDT by Liz

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To: dubyaismypresident
Boys will be boys; unless the nanny state feed them enough Ritalin and teaches them to play with dolls. In which case boys would be girls.

Nice buzz slogans, but where's the substance of your argument? This has nothing to do with Ritalin or dolls. Here's a thought: real men don't do these sorts of things -- at any age. So, parents who raise men don't let their boys act like this.

141 posted on 09/10/2001 10:49:59 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: dubyaismypresident
Then you shouldn't have given them keys. I am glad you did, or else they would have learned to hotwire the family stationwagon. Testerone vole bump

I didn't and they didn't. How old are you again? I feel like I'm arguing with a teenager.

142 posted on 09/10/2001 10:51:44 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: madprof98
Sorry my friend but, I don't think that you have yet sorted out the basics of the Republican party.

Are you still involved with the Million Moms March people?

Do you still consider yourself a "liberal social activist"?

After the years you spent around education circles you should know the definition and, the difference between a "libertine" and a libertarian.

Have you ever heard of Berry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan? Would you say that they were "libertine"?

Reagan and Goldwater both unapologetically considered themselves libertarian. I know that might be hard for an anti-gun, social liberal to figure out.

I might suggest that you go back and study what libertarian really means.

143 posted on 09/10/2001 10:52:37 PM PDT by the irate magistrate
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To: dubyaismypresident
And how many times did you read the article, over and over again. over and over,

This is a juvenile remark and speaks for itself. Pity.

144 posted on 09/10/2001 10:53:27 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Liz
Land of the free...how sad that many want to crystalize that phrase into allowing them to lack moral fiber and exercise restraint. It would seem, that this direction of thought is similar to those who say that abortion is a personal right and a form of contraception.

Puritanical frenzy...I see that Christian bashing is alive and well in this thread, too. Let's see, these people had a large group of minors, a stripper, marijuana and booze at a party. Either the rule of law is in effect or you must find yourself on Clinton's side of the argument that personal actions are not subject to the law.

Moral purity, though old-fashioned, is still important for many reasons. Most importantly, it is one of the foundations of a strong family.

145 posted on 09/10/2001 10:54:29 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Dan from Michigan
Life in prison means 7 years. That's why. Parole. Our justice system, especially in some states is so screwed up that murderers, child molesters, armed robbers and rapists can be out in 7 years after being sentenced to life.

You hit the nail on the head. These ridiculous concurrent sentences are to get around the stupid parole policies.
Consider that in Ohio, rape is a death penalty offense or at least that's an option. I can't remember that option
being exercised. So rapists get 20 years and are out in 3 to rape again. We just had a case here where a man
was convicted of raping a dozen or so college women. He got 200 some odd years strung concurrently. What this
means is he'll be out in 40 some years. Parole system is broken.

I think the death penalty is needed for rape and especially for pedophiles.

146 posted on 09/10/2001 10:55:37 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: dubyaismypresident
Have you ever been, or are now, a member of the Communist party. That was really low.

This is an ad hominem attack. Do you want to discuss ideas and issues, or make petty attacks?

147 posted on 09/10/2001 10:55:47 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: joyce11111
And, this story doesn't even shock some people here.

Libertarians no doubt.

148 posted on 09/10/2001 10:57:07 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Dan from Michigan
About 70-80(avg turnout) of us all went to field parties and house parties, drank beer, some did some other things as well which I won't go into here, and I'm not admitting to anything other than having some beers there and attending. I didn't drink and drive so I still say to this day that I didn't do anything wrong.

Your stats are changing. What happened to 50% of all kids, your previous claim?

149 posted on 09/10/2001 10:59:02 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Collier
Would you agree that the Boomers were born between 1945 and 1950?

No I've always heard 1946-1964.

150 posted on 09/10/2001 11:00:19 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Liz
Did y'all miss this...

Authorities have said many students were drinking beer, and some were smoking marijuana. Authorities have said many students were drinking beer, and some were smoking marijuana. Authorities have said many students were drinking beer, and some were smoking marijuana. Authorities have said many students were drinking beer, and some were smoking marijuana. Authorities have said many students were drinking beer, and some were smoking marijuana. Authorities have said many students were drinking beer, and some were smoking marijuana.

151 posted on 09/10/2001 11:01:45 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Dan from Michigan
So I guess when the tanks in Waco burned the kids, Reno was representing "the people'.

Sigh. That is hardly a logical comparison. Reno was hardly a fair administrator of the rule of law. We need to be rid of Reno, not the rule of law. Get the difference?

152 posted on 09/10/2001 11:02:06 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Exigence
OK. 25% of my grade went to those parties.

You think all the rest of those 75% stayed home?

I'm standing by my stats here.

153 posted on 09/10/2001 11:02:51 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Exigence
Italics off
154 posted on 09/10/2001 11:03:16 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Exigence
The 'law' is largely the whim of the prosecutor or the attorney general that administers and enforces the 'laws' that he or she sees fit. That's the 'law'.

Whether it be Reno(REALLY Bad), Ashcroft(alright), Jenny Granholm(bad), Dick Blumenthal(REALLY SUCKS) or John McBain(Should be a judge).

155 posted on 09/10/2001 11:05:22 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: AntiTyrant
distinction to the difference between 17 and 18 (beyond mere numbers) is a nut,

Fine. So where is the line? There were fifteen year olds there. So is that too far below the line? If fifteen is okay, why not fourteen? Or, twelve?

The line of majority has to be set somewhere. Pick an age. But, one set, parents have to respect it -- if not for their own children, for the parents of the other children involved.

The State should not let anyone give my minor child an abortion -- or show them a lewd act. You have to support both -- or condemn both.

156 posted on 09/10/2001 11:06:29 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Liz
As disgusting as I think this story is, I have to side with the libertarians on this one. CPS involved with a seventeen year old boy? Do they really think that they are protecting the boy, or are they really interested in punishing the parents?

I have also been told recently that many parents allow their children to watch pornographic films as weekend entertainment.

157 posted on 09/10/2001 11:09:21 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: sendtoscott
They cannot represent "the people" w/o representing individual people, such as the other parents. If the State represents some abstraction (i.e. "the people" ), it represents no one.

There's more to it than that. I don't want people roaring up my residential street at 100 mph. It's a risk to me, whether or not they actually strike and kill a member of my family. To cite these speeders represents the common good of the community. The same case could be made for this situation.

158 posted on 09/10/2001 11:09:29 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: independentmind
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159 posted on 09/10/2001 11:09:52 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Dan from Michigan
I'm standing by my stats here.

What stats? All you have is some anecdotal evidence based on your experience. That's hardly global, measurable, or verifable. Now I remember why I always wanted to pull my hair out trying to teach college students to write supportable arguments.

160 posted on 09/10/2001 11:13:01 PM PDT by Exigence
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