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Correlation seen between antidepressants, violence
News-Press.com ^ | 9-10-01 | Andi Atwater

Posted on 09/10/2001 1:18:37 PM PDT by Slyfox

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:06:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Petronski,chookter
Prove what?

I said there was plenty of medical evidence linking these drugs to violence/suicide. And there is.

That's different than proof to a scientific certainty. I can't do it and you know it, just as you can't prove the converse. But I'll go ahead and post some citations, for all the good it will do.

41 posted on 09/10/2001 2:05:32 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: Nov3
Answer my question:

If you think there is such a strong link, do you think the police should confiscate my guns while I am on zoloft?

42 posted on 09/10/2001 2:06:46 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Petronski
People with depression are more likely to kill themselves. People with depression are more likely to be put on anti-depressants, therefor it seems to make sense that of the group taking anti-depressants more would kill themselves than the population in general. DUH! I would speculate that far more would have committed suicide without the drugs....
43 posted on 09/10/2001 2:08:18 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: chookter
The Scientologists are not your friends. They are nobody's friends.

Not mine either....enough said.

I have seen two people become unbalanced on these drugs. For the vast majority of people these drugs work well and are tolerated well. However for a significant number they can precipitate a nightmare.

Malcolm Bowers Jr., a psychiatrist at Yale University in New Haven, reported that serotonin-induced psychosis accounted for 8 percent of all general hospital psychiatric admissions over a recent 14-month period.

These drugs can cause serious reactions. They are prescribed willy-nilly without proper supervision by unqualified doctors. General Practitioners and Internists should not be prescribing powerful psychoactive drugs like this. It should be left to Psychiatrists under strictly supervised situations.

These are extremely powerful drugs able to affect the way a person sees life. They play with brain chemicals that are basic to a balanced personality. They are not candy. I fail to see how any educated person could think they should be prescribed for PMS.

I am glad you had no problem with these drugs. I have seen the other side.

44 posted on 09/10/2001 2:09:36 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: technochick99
Which is why you take these meds under medical supervision.

What do you do with a doctor who can not tell you exactly why it works or how it works. And when you complain about feeling like you have bugs in your scalp he doesn't recognize that toxic levels are in your system. And he ups your dose.

Medical supervision is a very loose term when it comes to this kind of medication.

45 posted on 09/10/2001 2:11:52 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: ctdonath2
It was clearly the antidepressant that induced the behavior.

Not at all true. When I initially start on zoloft, my shrink was always real careful to say:

"It's possible that you may actually 'feel good enough' to act on a suicide impulse that you were too depressed to act on before. That can actually be a sign that the antidepressant is working. It is a dangerous time. Call me if you have these feelings."

It could be that the antidepressant was actually starting to work. She could've been using other drugs, who knows?

46 posted on 09/10/2001 2:12:14 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: chookter
If you think there is such a strong link, do you think the police should confiscate my guns while I am on zoloft?

No. I think you should be prescribed Zoloft by a doctor who is qualified and informed something Eli-Lilly and their ilk have prevented/

47 posted on 09/10/2001 2:13:14 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: chookter
It does seem that many, if not most, of the killers we hear about in the media are taking these meds. In and of itself, that isn't meaningful information.
First, we are dealing with a population of people with mental instability.
Second the meds take time to work, and we don't know generally how long these people were on the meds.
And third some people who are severely depressed would act out in these ways if they had the energy. In some cases (small percentage, I imagine?), the anti-depressants allow these people to physically feel more energized, giving them the ability to then act upon their emotions.

The link is strong enough to warrant investigating in my opinion. But teasing out these factors will not be easy.

48 posted on 09/10/2001 2:13:36 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: chookter
You have posted Scientologist propaganda. It should be discussed in that context.

Check the URL again.

49 posted on 09/10/2001 2:13:37 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Al B.
I said there was plenty of medical evidence linking these drugs to violence/suicide. And there is.

That's different than proof to a scientific certainty

Ohhhhh, well in that case it's not medical evidence, it's Bu!!$hit...

50 posted on 09/10/2001 2:14:14 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Nov3
I was a complete recluse until I got put on a VERY mild dose of Effexor. Now my career has taken off, I give presentations on a daily basis with no problem, and I am able to have a good social life. Without treating the exteme shyness that I suffered from, my life would have been a but a thin shadow. I just wish I could have gotten this treatment while in College! All the women I neglected...... UG! ARggghhhhh!!! No matter how good looking you are (and I'm humble too) women will walk away very quickly if you come across as shy....
51 posted on 09/10/2001 2:17:40 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: chookter
Three weeks is not even long enough for the drug to reach the correct level, the 'theraputic' level in the bloodstream. It takes more like 4-6 weeks. Any doctor will have an individual slowly increase the dose to the correct level so it takes more like 6-8 weeks.

Actually someone who is sensitive to SSRI's can be affected in days.

Like I said before: Liberals have guns as their bogeyman, conservatives have antidepressants as theirs...

A gun is an inanimate object. An antidepressant is a psychoactive chemical. There may be a slight difference to someone who can reason.

52 posted on 09/10/2001 2:17:44 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: StolarStorm
I am gald the drug worked for you. I think they are godsends for some people
53 posted on 09/10/2001 2:20:05 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: ctdonath2
"Yup. She was stable until they switched her to Prozac. Promptly slit her own wrists. (Self-murder counts, right?) Just because mind-altering medications work for you doesn't mean they don't mess up anyone else."

Uh slight logical flaw here. Why would they change the medicatin on a patient if it was working? Answer. You don't. So the switch in meds implies if was done to (SURPRISE!) treat the patients depression. And what do depressed people do in many cases/ Why try to kill themselves...
54 posted on 09/10/2001 2:20:15 PM PDT by Kozak
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To: Slyfox
What do you do with a doctor who can not tell you exactly why it works or how it works. And when you complain about feeling like you have bugs in your scalp he doesn't recognize that toxic levels are in your system. And he ups your dose.

My doc told me exactly how and why it worked. What serotonin regulates and how SSRI's prevent it from being reabsorbed too quickly by bonding with the particular receptors.

No one knows why some brains re-uptake the sertotonin too quickly and how this can be triggered by environmental or hereditary factors.

If he could not tell me this and wouldn't listen to my complaints, I would've gotten a different doctor.

Sounds like a case of sour grapes on your part. You are the only one responsible for your health and sanity.

Or would you prefer cradle-to-the-grave Hillarycare?

55 posted on 09/10/2001 2:20:16 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: chookter
Every time someone questions the safety of these drugs, a censor will begin screaming "Scientologist!" Then an organized campaign will begin to discredit and silence the reporter/researcher/critic. Follow the money there - nine times out of ten it will lead you to pharmaceutical companies and their shills...
56 posted on 09/10/2001 2:20:40 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: Slyfox
Check the URL

Where do you think I found this nugget of info:

: The International Coalition for Drug Awareness has a link on their website to the So. Cal. lawyers suing Eli-Lilly:

Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford & Downey

George Murgatroyd, a founder of this firm is a Scientologist supporter and donor. The "ICDA" looks like a Scientologist front organization.

It's Scientologist propaganda.

57 posted on 09/10/2001 2:22:30 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Al B.
Methinks that we have some Eli-Lilly shills posting
58 posted on 09/10/2001 2:23:14 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: Nov3, chookter
I am glad you had no problem with these drugs. I have seen the other side.

I too have seen the other side. I have a good friend whose entire family was devasted by the suicide her husband. My friend entered a lawsuit involving other Prozac casualties and won a sizable settlement from the drugmaker. Yes, they had to admit that Prozac indeed caused her husband's death.

I have also been clinically depressed. However, I took the harder route and painfully and prayerfully took each day as it came until the the cloud lifted. I have no idea what would have happened had I been medicated.

59 posted on 09/10/2001 2:23:41 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Nov3
Eli-Lilly and their ilk have prevented/

Ohhhhh, you're one of those anti-corporate Battle-in-Genoa types?

So the pills aren't bad, but the eeeeevil corporations are?

60 posted on 09/10/2001 2:25:53 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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