[Le-Roy]

Your example is easily explainable, and reproducible. You, however, can not say the same for these designs in grain without any sign of (what we know as) normal human intervention.

   Convince me that humans could make such a complex design in one night, and leave no footprints in or out of the field, not be discovered while in the process, maintain mathematical precision while not being able to see the whole, and create an exact replica of complex data sent into space decades ago.

[Hajman]

Your example is easily explainable, and reproducible. You, however, can not say the same for these designs in grain without any sign of (what we know as) normal human intervention.

Convince me that humans could make such a complex design in one night, and leave no footprints in or out of the field, not be discovered while in the process, maintain mathematical precision while not being able to see the whole, and create an exact replica of complex data sent into space decades ago.

Humans can become virtual ghosts if they want to. My post was to show that apparent complexity of design or structure doesn't nessasarily mean complexity of designing the structure. You seem to think if "it looks too hard, it must be". The snow flake was to show an example of something with apparently complexity (that would be difficulty to make straight out), but who's structure can be created using a rather simplistic method. Also, it's not for this specific instance of design, but rather your broad argument for humans not making them. It's simply flawed. Apparently complexity doesn't nessasarily mean complex methods of creating it (look at certain fractals for good examples). Also many designs I've seen for crop circles are variations on fractals...many of which can be made using simple technique that only require a small section at a time to be viewed to create the whole (a simple example of this are the Koch curves). Your argument that apparently complex designs require sophisticated methods of creation is the main flaw in the more broad argument you use to try to claim humans didn't make them.

-The Hajman-