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To: bryan1276
There have been 3 offerings of evidence thus far . . .

The red shift is not evidence for CDK, period. Your second law arguments have been refuted too many times to take you seriously. That leaves your historical data points.

Setterfield originally tried to use this table to show light used to be faster. But, challenged on his methods, he changed his theory. Now he says the observations occurred after the speed of light had bottomed and began bouncing up and down in a damped oscillation.

That also accounts for some of the early measurements being lower than the modern value. But a better explanation is that the early measurements had large error bars which the modern value lies well within. So the nucleus of the evidence justifying this madness is statistical noise.

I gave you A Thread where I detailed the problems with CDK. Perhaps by not reading same, you have failed to deal with anything I said.

Seeing infrared: No, Adam could see.

That looks a lot like what Helen Fryman wrote. What kind of answer is that supposed to be? If Adam could see, the light isn't very redshifted. (How far down into the infrared can you see? Or did God give Adam LF radio antennas for eyes?) If the light isn't very redshifted, you can't cook off the amount of nuclear material in a short time necessary to create the appearance of age claimed by CDK-ers and not cook Adam. You either cook off all that fuel or you don't. If you do, you have to deal with all the reaction byproducts, not just the ones you want to. The only way to de-energize a photon is to redshift it.

Adam age like a mayfly: You said all atomic processes happen fast then asked if Adam's internal processes happen fast. Last I checked, organs like the stomach, intestines, heart and such were not "atomic" processes.

Last time I checked, chemical reactions were the result of the flight of electrons. In Setterfieldian gibberish, the charge of the electron was the same, but the mass of an electron was absurdly diminished on Day 6 of creation. That should make chemical reactions happen absurdly fast.

Similarly, nerve impulses are waves of depolarization rippling down an axon. The molecules flying through the axon membrane are lighter, but the forces on them are the same as now . . .

What about the nuclear decay of the earth? Well, what about it.

Alpha particles (in large numbers) are bad for you. I've heard the claim that the alpha radiation of the rapidly cooking earth would have lifted Adam off of the ground on Day 6 of a Setterfieldian universe.

177 posted on 09/14/2001 3:26:10 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
All you say is the Red Shift is not evidence. That doesn't tell me anything. I've never seen the Second Law refuted on here yet. I've seen people who disagree, but as to refutation I haven't seen that because it's still occuring. What kind of answer is "Adam could see" you asked. I'd say it's a pretty straightforward one. Your attempt to cram biological processes into "atomic" processes in order to make a point was senseless, since you know very well had anyone else tried that type of juggling of words you wouldn't let them get away with it. As far as you hearing about something lifting Adam off the earth I can just say very simple that I guess you heard wrong since he wasn't. My answer stands: digestion, heartbeat, circulation are not "Atomic" processes. Let me say this since things seem to be getting a little heated in here. I come from a Bible Believing view of science, biology, history, astronomy, astrophysics, chemistry, etc. (Very simply, I think if you want to know about creation you go to the Creator.) I really didn't want to argue about something like the speed of light which I'd say is compartively insignificant in regards to some other things. I understand it's controversial and perhaps kin to throwing down a sacred cow.
181 posted on 09/14/2001 7:37:50 PM PDT by bryan1276
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