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Anarchists too scared to stage protest in China (THEY FEAR CHINA WILL SHOOT THEM)
telegraph ^ | 9/9/2001 | Damien McElroy in Beijing and David Bamber

Posted on 09/09/2001 12:47:19 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

Anarchists too scared to stage protest in China

BRITISH anarchists - veterans of protests ranging from Seattle to Gothenburg and Genoa - are refusing to demonstrate at an economic summit of world leaders in China next month because they fear being shot or imprisoned.

Despite causing havoc at economic summits around the world over the past two years, the anti-globalisation organisations have decided not to attempt to disrupt the Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation forum to be attended by President George Bush and other leaders, in Shanghai in October.

One British anarchist website seen by The Telegraph advises potential protesters not to attempt to travel to Shanghai. "The Chinese government has shot dead democracy protesters in the past, it would be dangerous to attempt any demonstration," the site says.

A British anarchist who has attended demonstrations by the moderate Reclaim the Streets group and the more radical "Wombles" (so-called because they wear protective white overalls), who target the police, said: "We have to be realistic. It would be impossible to get into China openly as a demonstrator and even if you did you would run the risk of years in jail or even being shot."

The contrast between preparations for demonstrations at a Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Brisbane, Australia, on October 6-9 and the lack of preparation for violence in Shanghai on October 17-20 has caused Australian security officials to point to the hypocrisy of the anarchist groups.

Even experienced protesters with a cause specific to China, such as pro-Tibet groups, have shied away from baiting the forces of the Communist state. Alison Reynolds, of the London-based Tibet Information Network, said: "I think people, quite understandably, feel daunted by the prospect of protesting in China and what might happen."

A veteran at upstaging Chinese delegations, Ms Reynolds hopes that behind-the-scenes lobbying will persuade President Bush to prove himself an ally of Tibet by securing the release of Chandrel Rinpoche, 62, a jailed monk.

Mr Bush will visit China for the first time since taking office to attend next month's Apec forum, an annual gathering of Asian and American presidents and prime ministers. Other guests, including John Howard of Australia and Helen Clark of New Zealand, will arrive in Shanghai fresh from what is expected to be a chaotic Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Brisbane.

Brisbane will deploy 1,600 police backed by Blackhawk helicopters to prevent as many as 25,000 demonstrators disrupting the summit to be opened by the Queen on October 6.

Mahathir Mohamad, the Prime Minister of Malaysia and a long-time critic of Western liberal democracy, has been loudly predicting that the Australian police will inflict unnecessary violence on the mobs. He is refusing to travel to Brisbane because of the potential for protests, but he will attend the Apec gathering.

"They are going to beat up any demonstrators. Just wait and see when they have a Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Australia," Dr Mahathir said. "I expect there will be demonstrations and there will be violence and police brutality."

Critics of the anarchists say they are targeting the wrong summit because they are frightened of the Chinese police. The Shanghai forum brings together America, China and the industrial economies of the Pacific rim, while most of the nations meeting in Brisbane are backward states incapable of expanding their share of global trade.

Another factor against anarchists going to Shanghai is that they would get little sympathy from the local population. Though many residents of Shanghai have suffered greatly from the emergence of unemployment and corruption since the city opened up to the West, anti-globalisation protesters would not be welcome.

The city is a monument to the spread of capitalism. Two hundred years ago it was an insignificant township. When British and American traders settled there, they turned Shanghai into the Far East's finest city with hundreds of the most impressive skyscrapers of the early 20th century.

After four decades of Communist isolation, Shanghai was re-opened to the world in 1990. Since then the forces of international capital have again been co-opted to transform the city's skyline into the most stunning in all China.

While there is no threat from marauding mobs, the local police still intend to impose a tight cordon sanitaire around the summit site.


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1 posted on 09/09/2001 12:47:19 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Repeat after me, anarchists do not want govt control over trade (by defn. as they don't want govt control over anything). The media just calls these people "anarchists" because they keep breaking the law.

Though many residents of Shanghai have suffered greatly from the emergence of unemployment and corruption since the city opened up to the West, anti-globalisation protesters would not be welcome.

There was, of course, no corruption under communism.
2 posted on 09/09/2001 12:51:51 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: TLBSHOW
They should hold every "New World Order" meeting in Beijing. Don't be suprised if it actually happens. Good place for the U.N. too.

Why not have the ATF provide security?

3 posted on 09/09/2001 12:55:10 PM PDT by america76
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To: TLBSHOW
Even these wakos understand that there is a difference between the Western Democracies (so called) and a place like China.
4 posted on 09/09/2001 12:59:09 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: sendtoscott
That's because they're stupid, not crazy.
5 posted on 09/09/2001 1:02:39 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: TLBSHOW
Are we supposed to applaud the Chinese now? Shooting or jailing any kind of dissent would be quite attractive to some on this forum. Here it comes ...
6 posted on 09/09/2001 1:06:53 PM PDT by mxbluto
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To: america76
I second the motion.

We will not put it to a vote, Move the UN to Bejing.

7 posted on 09/09/2001 1:17:36 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: TLBSHOW
These "anarchists" are simply spoiled rich kids and those who never grew up who simply want to destroy. They are Marxist to the hilt in philosophy and are a great danger to our fredoms.

And now I see they are cowards.

If they pulled their same stunts in China I might have a bit more respect for them.

8 posted on 09/09/2001 2:49:23 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
If they pulled their same stunts in China I might have a bit more respect for them.

The new generation of anarchists haven't pulled guns out or assasination tactics (see early 20th century american anarchists). Only the STATE has been using firearms.

9 posted on 09/09/2001 3:01:29 PM PDT by libertarian_usa
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To: sendtoscott
The media just calls these people "anarchists" because they keep breaking the law.

No you are wrong - and you are basing your so called knowledge not on inside information, but on media information.

Within the international anti-capitalist movement there are many Anarchists and in the USA, Anarchists are one of 3 groups that are leading this charge - Liberal Reformers - Communists being the other two.

10 posted on 09/09/2001 3:03:35 PM PDT by libertarian_usa
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To: tallhappy
"And now I see they are cowards."

You have been believing the Liberal media accounts of traveling, violent anarchists. Anarachist largely are not globe-trotters and are not holdings Arms.

11 posted on 09/09/2001 3:05:09 PM PDT by libertarian_usa
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To: libertarian_usa
The new generation of anarchists haven't pulled guns out or assasination tactics ...

No, they harrass and make trouble for private citizens going about their business and destroy those same people's private property.

Once again, they are cowards.

Thjey can't be taken seriously in any way. They are children of privilige and of plenty. It's not real to them. To them material well being is always there.

And now they are too scared to go to China and do their things.

They are cowards and worse.

12 posted on 09/09/2001 3:22:31 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: libertarian_usa
I see you are a newcoming propagandist.

Not welcome in my opinion.

13 posted on 09/09/2001 3:23:55 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: libertarian_usa
The media just calls these people "anarchists" because they keep breaking the law.

No you are wrong - and you are basing your so called knowledge not on inside information, but on media information.


That's right - I'm basing my claim on what the media calls people based on media information. Go figure.
14 posted on 09/09/2001 3:29:42 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: libertarian_usa
If the anarchists of today had the courage of the anarchists of yesteryear they would be in china doing their things with bombs, much as occured in pre revolutionary russia.

Alas though they are wimps and as such should be crushed like cock roaches.

15 posted on 09/09/2001 5:52:38 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: libertarian_usa
Only the STATE has been using firearms.

I bet you'd rather have all private property destroyed, and the police killed, during these protests? If someone assaults you with rocks capable of cracking your skull - in Gothenburgh this is exactly what happened to a police officer just before the shots, and the police who were protecting their colleague kept being peltered with rocks - what would you do? Hug them into submission?

Anarachist largely are not globe-trotters and are not holdings Arms

Largely... That is true for all these groups. The problem is the hundreds of Anarchists and Maoists (etc) who ARE going from city to city to be in the riots. These people ARE holding arms, as in weapons, in the form of rocks.

16 posted on 09/10/2001 12:51:21 AM PDT by anguish
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To: anguish
"I bet you'd rather have all private property destroyed, and the police killed, during these protests?"

Nope. But, if you must put words into my mouth in order to be "right" than please do, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings with the facts.

17 posted on 09/10/2001 5:29:17 AM PDT by libertarian_usa
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To: dts32041
"If the anarchists of today had the courage of the anarchists of yesteryear they would be in china doing their things with bombs, much as occured in pre revolutionary russia."

Those weren't Russian anarchists?

Again, this image of a globetrotting band of anarchists fails history.

18 posted on 09/10/2001 5:31:42 AM PDT by libertarian_usa
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To: anguish
"These people ARE holding arms, as in weapons, in the form of rocks."

holding rocks, we had better search everyone for rocks at the airports and bus stations now. Rock detectors in the schools.

19 posted on 09/10/2001 5:32:40 AM PDT by libertarian_usa
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To: TLBSHOW
No guts, no glory.
20 posted on 09/10/2001 5:39:06 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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