"You're Under Arrest for Resisting Arrest" (cops words - my title)

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[Dudoight]

Very interesting. What it really boils down to is a "power struggle". All she needed to do is show her driver's liscense. The cops were flummoxed when she refused to do so. I wonder how this turned out, as it happened a year ago. I guess these "check points" are legal. I have never been stopped for this sort of thing....if she was black, it could be categorized as racial profiling. The cops were in a position of authority, and when she refused to show her liscense...what was their alternative? Can you really see the cops saying..."Oh well, never mind, then."?

[ozzie]

This lady is nuts. Just a routine check. Show your dang licence and head on with your business. Why intentionally start a fight with a cop if it's not necessary? She pretty much pushed the cop into this. I don't really blame him.

[putupon]

Yeah right, and the Jews in Germany were just put on boxcars for a "routine relocation".

[strela]

We do not live in Nazi Germany. If you think we do, perhaps you should move. The lady was spoiling for a fight with a cop, and she got one. But guess what - the cop's going to win.

She's lucky she didn't end up with a PR-24 in a new and fascinating place within her body.

[savedbygrace]

Show your dang licence (sic) and head on with your business.

Better yet: Hang it from a collar around your neck. Woof. Woof.

Sheesh, do they teach you this stuff in frog school? How's the water?

[cadillac cowboy]

I wonder if a presidential motorcade would be subject to checkpoint search and seizure?

Same laws apply....right?

[savedbygrace]

Either your grasp of logic (or maybe the English language) is abysmal, or YOU'RE spoiling for a fight.

Reading putupon's post, it's obvious that s/he wasn't suggesting that we are in Nazi Germany, but rather that ozzie was using similar reasoning. But you knew that, huh?

[truth_eagle]

Check points are legal, at this point in time and officers have a legal right to ask the operator of a vehicle for a proper driver's license and the papers that show their vehicle is properly registered. PERIOD!!!

If this woman does not understand, she can turn in her driver’s license.

[Dudoight]

"Yeah right, and the Jews in Germany were just put on boxcars for a "routine relocation".
That is a bit overstated and paranoid...if it was meant as a warning analogy. I resent unrestrained government intrusion, confiscation, etc. But an essential part of our freedom is that it cannot be maintained without laws. Random check points just to check for "papers" (liscense, registration, etc.) seem a waste of officier's time to me. But I guess they do it. It must have been a slow day for the cops. The lady could have avoided the confrontation by showing her licsence. Putupon, if you were the cop, would you have said..."hey, lady...never mind"?

[muir_redwoods]

The cops behaved like fascists. The fact that it seems so normal to you and many others is a measure of how far we as a culture have accepted statist rules and limits on our freedom. We are a free people and we are not to be molested by the state unless we are violating the rights of other

When the cops begin to see themselves as the bosses and think a stand for freedom is "weird" we have already lost a great deal.

[Lanman]

How's the water?

Don't you mean, "How's the Kool-aid?"

[M Kehoe]

I've posted this on FR before, but it seems like a good story to add to this thread.

My best friend and I were driving up I-95 when I noticed my inspection sticker was expired. It was December 12, 1994 and I decided to get off the interstate at Bowling Green VA to get a new inspection sticker.

As we were trying to find a gas station that did inspections, seven VA State patrol cars heemed us in on U.S. 1. They drew their weapons and approached the vehicle. My friend and I put our hands out the window, and needless to say we were worried. I couldn't figure out why they had their guns drawned over an expired inspection sticker.

They asked us to step out of the vehicle, and asked if they could search the Jeep and our persons. I said, "do you have a warrant, fourth amendment stuff you know?" They said no, so I said you can't search.

The police kept us on the side of the road for two hours until they got a warrant. Then they proceeded to take the Jeep apart (literally).

After they finished, they gave me my weapon and license back and said that "I must have pissed someone off", and they left.

It took us another hour to put the Jeep back together.

Well, at least they didn't give me a ticket for an expired inspection sticker.

5.56mm

[strela]

Either your grasp of logic (or maybe the English language) is abysmal, or YOU'RE spoiling for a fight.

Its obvious that YOU understood perfectly what I said in my reply and that your insult is merely a tactic (like putupon's overblown misuse of nazi imagery). Inferring that a police officer's asking a citizen for their ID is tantamount to sending Jews off to the concentration camps is a shameful and overused debate tactic that trivializes the real horrors of Hitler and the nazis.

The problem with crying wolf (or claiming that you are being subjected to the Holocaust every time you encounter a LEO) is that people see it for what it is; a bs cry for attention. The more you do it, the more people see that you are using it as a tactic, and the less they will tend to believe reports of true abuse. Automatically crying "Nazi!" every time something happens that you don't like ensures that fewer people will believe you if you happen to point out actual abuse.

But you knew that, huh?

[B Knotts]

If you think we do, perhaps you should move.

Our responsibility to our children is to restore the Republic, not give up. Isn't that, after all why we're here?

[Hoosier Patriot]

It is fascinating to me that far too many folks on this board can't comprehend the notion of "incremental." Today, in your automobile. Tomorrow, at your door? Will you have everything in order as they see fit? And if you don't?

Sticking ones head further into the sand won't prevent this from happening to them. "Show your papers and be on your way."

What will it take for the "masses" to realize that this is not normal in a free society? Flame away ostriches, tell me how wrong I am. But before you do, look up the meaning of incremental.

[Dudoight]

If the cops have no authority....why even have them? They ARE bosses in a situation like this. It is entirely possible they were looking for anything from a drug runner, to an escaped felon. She may have fit the profile. We don't have all the facts on this. I have seen random checkpoints on the highway. I have always been waved through. Some were stopped. I assumed they were looking for a vehicle type or a person presumed to be involved in an illegal deed. I am glad they are out there. I kind of got a kick out of how stunned the cops were at her refusal. They REALLY did not know what to do.

[AppyPappy]

The odd thing is that they created these random stops because it was found illegal to stop people on mere suspicion.

This woman should have refused a drivers license on the ground that it was Nazish.

[B Knotts]

 Taken together, our decisions in Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990), and United States v. Martinez--Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543 (1976), stand for the proposition that suspicionless roadblock seizures are constitutionally permissible if conducted according to a plan that limits the discretion of the officers conducting the stops. I am not convinced that Sitz and Martinez-Fuerte were correctly decided. Indeed, I rather doubt that the Framers of the Fourth Amendment would have considered "reasonable" a program of indiscriminate stops of individuals not suspected of wrongdoing.

-Justice Clarence Thomas
Indianapolis v. Edmond

If we only had eight more Justice Thomases...

[strela]

Our responsibility to our children is to restore the Republic, not give up.

Showing a stupid driver's license to a cop is not going to destroy the Republic or ensure that we all dance in that big conga line down to the death camps. If the lady in the story wants to effect real, measurable change in the law, let her do it in the right venue; in court, not on the roadside. As it is, she merely looked like a wiseacre hothead spoiling for a fight with the police (which she richly deserved and got).