Has Bush Lost His Marbles with Executive Privilege?

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[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Let's see. I've been called 'misfire'. But even worse, I've been accused of being a wrestling watcher? Ugh! [Wiping slime off self.] It appears that the Shrill Shrewish Schroll is getting desperate. LOL. Hm... appears he watches a lot of wrestling. I've welcomed him to the followup thread.

Has Bush Lost His Marbles? Part 2

Please forgive me for sinking to his level of name calling, but it is sooo much fun.

[angkor]

This isn't about whats nice, so why get condescending. Okay.

Sorry about the seeming condescension, it's a "shooting the messenger" error on my part.

Nevertheless, the explanation you present is precisely the line that's been given by the Bush administration for almost 8 months now, through repeated trial balloons, speeches, and commentary from all sorts of administration channels. Unfortunately, all of these explanations are severely negligent of the indisputable fact that the INS is broken. I cited specific GAO evidence of this in my previous post, and again you may simply skim that 120 page report of March 2001 to see that the notion of "regularizing" six million illegal aliens is sheer hallucination unless and until the INS is fixed. Period, end of story.

The conventional proposal of splitting border enforcement from INS administrative duties is a good start, but it's merely the tip of the iceberg. Because we will be left with an INS administrative function which is severely dysfunctional. Again I reference the GAO report, or you may simply ask any INS staffer, manager, immigration attorney, of legislative aide on Capitol Hill. Everyone knows and acknowledges this, and the problems are much deeper and more profound than you may imagine. They begin of course with the 95 percent self-funded nature of INS, and extend to nonfunctional information systems, understaffing, the repeated and ongoing dickering of INS regulations by clueless politicians, etc.

You may think my interest in this is purely selfish due my own situation (I assure you that it is not merely my "wife's problem," as I am her designated sponsor and thus a statutory party to this process). But again my interest surpasses my own situation, because there are 3,000,000 other individuals in the INS administrative system who also will be hurt in lieu of fixing the entire administrative system of adjudication before one single illegal alien "regularization" application is processed.

Like many who are mere casual observers of this issue, you seem incognizant of the 100 percent guaranteed unintended consequences of proceeding willy-nilly down the course of "regularization," or whatever it is being called this week. Think, for example, of the opportunity it will present to any Latin-American criminal (e.g., a Columbian drug dealer) to obtain new U.S. credentials under an assumed identity: simply bribe the local bureaucrats for a faked birth certificate, enter the U.S., find another willing party to assert lengthy illegal (but now, "regularized") employment, and - bingo - a completely new U.S. identity. Don't think it can happen? Well I can assure you that it is already being attempted by South American illegals, and I have that from eminently reliable third-party sources. It is as realistic an "unintended consequence" as the 400 percent increase in marriages at my local town hall last April, as the deadline for family-based green cards approached from a previous amnesty. By the way, that resulted from the "unintended consequence" that allowed an illegal alien "non-husband" and legal resident "non-wife" to create a family here in the U.S., which allowed the "non-wife" to obtain single-mother public assistance benefits, a nice trade-off for being "not married." But the carrot of a free green card surpassed the benefit of continuing the "not married" welfare ruse.

The evidence is overwhelming and pervasive that U.S. immigration laws are being flouted with impunity, that Mexican illegal aliens (in particular) demonstrate absolute contempt for our system of government, and that several million legal immigrants of all nationalities demonstrate a more suitable profile of American immigration ideals.

It is only fair, moral, and ethical that these law abiding individuals have their cases processed and adjudicated before a single illegal alien is allowed to apply for "regularization." (e.g., those several million Mexicans living here in egregious violation of USC Title 8, Section 1325)

And, yes, the INS and the entire immigration system will require a complete overhaul - including appropriation of the $12 billion required for "regularization" - before a single new word is uttered by President Bush about this half-baked "plan," if that's what anyone cynically chooses to mislabel it.

[BeAChooser]

BTW, I understand enough about the Ron Brown case to know that you subscribe to a conspiratorial theory that most folks consider a convoluted fabrication.

Then you should have no trouble explaining some of the questions I asked about the case. Go ahead ... tell us why "most folks" consider it a convoluted fabrication. Tell us why YOU think the plane crashed. Tell us what you think about the x-rays, photos and pathologist statements. Go ahead ... we are all waiting to hear your response although I predict you will RUN ... just like democRATS ALWAYS do when challenged with facts.

Making slanderous allegations against me, doesn't make the BS you're peddling around here any more convincing.

What makes them slanderous. You argue like a democRAT. You hold views that most here would only believe a democRAT would hold. You run from the facts like a democRAT. Why you don't even seem to believe Filegate and Chinagate indicate crimes worth investigating. DemocRAT I say.

Just for the record.

This is a faceless forum. ANYONE can claim to be a lifelong Republican and a "Reagan Man". But I don't think a real "Reagan Man" would turn a blind eye on taking money from the Communist Chinese to steal elections ... as you are doing. Your exposed beliefs simply don't match your professed party affiliation. You abhorance to the facts don't either.

punctuated with ad hominem attacks.

Now that's a laugh. All I done is call you a democRAT because you argue like one and hold the views of one. You are the one callling people "wacko" and "snot rags".

[Rebeckie]

George W. Bush has not lost his marbles. He would rather subvert the truth than to let it come forward and finally end this need for justice in regards to Bill Clinton. If Bush does not try to solve the Clinton crimes, Clinton and his many crimes will never go away because it will be a story of injustice without an ending--those types never do go away, people still talk about them years later.

[Reagan Man]

Nice Try -- but it won't fly.

Its flying.

Outside of FReeRepublic, I hear NO clamor for President Bush to have the DOJ reopen old investigations against the Clinton crowd. At least this is Bushes public position right now. Whats going on behind the scenes is another story. I'm not privy to that information and no one else on FR is either. If new evidence was brought forward that had a good chance of leading to success in court, I'd be the first one to tell Bush/Ashcroft, go for it.

I live in a very conservative county and folks around here don't want anymore time, money and effort being wasted. At this point, the republicans and conservatives I speak to, think its unwise and would only damage the Bush Presidency, while revealing nothing new in the way of hard facual truths.

[Reagan Man]

The conventional proposal of splitting border enforcement from INS administrative duties is a good start, but it's merely the tip of the iceberg.

Reform of the INS has to start somewhere, but massive fraud and incompetence exists throughout the federal gov't.

Again, no one is suggesting open borders with Mexico, or a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens coming from the anywhere in the world. Those foreigners in the process of becoming American citizens right now, deserve priority in getting their individual cases pushed through the system.

However, even if it was possible to deport all illegal aliens at once, it still wouldn't solve the problem of future illegal border crossings. There will have to be some exceptions made for improving the ability for all foreigners to enter America, either on work programs, or to stay with family members and relatives here in US. Many people would rather not see Mexican's getting preferential treatment, but I don't see any options that exist. I do not support building a "Berlin" type wall around America. Use of the military to assist border patrol officiers would be a good move.

Again, I understand your frustration and empathize with your current dilemma.

[Reagan Man]

I'm Reagan Man and not "Arthur Wildfire! March".

But I don't think a real "Reagan Man" would turn a blind eye on taking money from the Communist Chinese to steal elections ...

What do you know? Absolutely nothing.

You're an ignorant and rude snot rag.

If youre ever in southern Colorado, look me up bubba! I wouldn't mind meeting you face to face. If nothing else, I'd get to see just what a real conspiratorial wacko looks like. (LMAO) :^)

[BeAChooser]

Notice how he RUNS from the Brown facts? Told you he would.

Notice that he doesn't even deny not believing Filegate and Chinagate are crimes worth pursuing? DemocRAT I say.

[Ragin1]

Come on Chooser, can't we just move along? It's so expensive to investigate, and prosecute. The President will "look" so bad if we don't. There is nothing new here. This is old news.

BTW, if ya get to Colorado, you gonna let him beat the snot out of you?

[angkor]

or a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens coming from the anywhere in the world.

Just for the sake of accuracy, in 1996 about 54 percent of all illegal aliens already in the United States were from Mexico. Why are the other 46 percent not subject to "regularization"?

http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/aboutins/statistics/illegalalien/

Estimated Illegal Immigrant Population for Top Twenty Countries of Origin

and Top Twenty States of Residence: October 1996

Country of origin	Population	State of residence	Population
All countries	5,000,000	All states	5,000,000
1. Mexico	2,700,000	1. California	2,000,000
2. El Salvador	335,000	2. Texas	700,000
3. Guatemala	165,000	3. New York	540,000
4. Canada	120,000	4. Florida	350,000
5. Haiti	105,000	5. Illinois	290,000
6. Philippines	95,000	6. New Jersey	135,000
7. Honduras	90,000	7. Arizona	115,000
8. Poland	70,000	8. Massachusetts	85,000
9. Nicaragua	70,000	9. Virginia	55,000
10. Bahamas	70,000	10. Washington	52,000
11. Colombia	65,000	11. Colorado	45,000
12. Ecuador	55,000	12. Maryland	44,000
13. Dominican Republic 2	50,000	13. Michigan	37,000
14. Trinidad & Tobago	50,000	14. Pennsylvania	37,000
15. Jamaica	50,000	15. New Mexico	37,000
16. Pakistan	41,000	16. Oregon	33,000
17. India	33,000	17. Georgia	32,000
18. Dominica 2	32,000	18. District of Columbia	30,000
19. Peru	30,000	19. Connecticut	29,000
20. Korea	30,000	20. Nevada	24,000
Other	744,000	Other	330,000

[angkor]

Again, I understand your frustration and empathize with your current dilemma.

Well, thanks, I think you mean that sincerely, but I think you're missing the secondary point and the real genesis of my interest in this issue.

There are about 2,999,999 other immigrants now on the INS docket beyond myself and my wife. Now, by what moral code is it right or fair that even one criminal violator of USC Title 8 Section 1325 have a single application submitted, processed, or approved ahead of those other 2,999,999 law-abiding, by-the-book cases, 750,000 of which are more than 21 months late in being adjudicated (or in many cases, even acknowledged by the INS)?

It really does require some very twisted and cynical sense of "fairness" and "ethics" to believe this is the moral course to follow.

Yet with this morning's Gallup poll showing at least 67 percent opposition to this addle-brained "regularization" - and the utterly unaddressed disaster about to befall the INS and thus the entire "plan" - the dilemma of the Republican Party is only just beginning. By 2004 it will have become eminently clear that this was one of the most disatrous domestic policy decisions ever implemented by any president.

You know, it would make a whole lot more sense for George Bush to come right out and say (a) the INS is going to be immediately reorganizaed and properly funded for fiscal 2002 (only three weeks left for that), (b) border enforcement will immediately be separated and operated in a more effective, independent, and rigorous manner, (c) legal immigrants will have their cases expeditiously processed to clear the untenable backlog, and (d) once the problems of legal immigrant backlogs, border enforcement, and deportation procedures have been solved, then and only then will illegal Mexican aliens be considered for temporary guest worker permits blah blah.

That's actually the only fair thing to do, and it's also the only procedure that would reorient the terrible public perception (which is reality) about this plan.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Since Waxman is mad at Bush and openly taking sides with Burton, I now agree with you, at long last. My apologies to Bush. Anyone who can tick off Waxman has got to be some kind of great guy! Besides, as was pointed out, congress had its chance to do something about Clinton. All they did was play footsy with Monica and wait for Ken Starr to do their job for them.

[RightOnline]

Thanks for the "note", A.W.M. Like you, I'm still anxious to see how all of this shakes out. Let's all compare notes on this on a regular basis...........