Let's 'Migrate' to Mexico!

Listed in body | 7 Sept.'01 | Dave Feustel

[rdavis84]

There are many on FreeRepublic who are opposed to a more relaxed, kinder, gentler, "Migration" policy that it is obvious that the president is seeking. That's very mean-spirited! Not compassionate at All. 

To try to give some balance to this dispute between hardline anti-migrationists and those who need the cheap labor, here's some info regarding Mexico's "migration" policy,  like maybe some of our labor going to Mexico for the jobs would encounter. 

I received this via the Accuracy in Media mailing, so it's likely accurate, but I didn't make any phone calls to verify the details.

" It's interesting to compare the way Mexico treats
 legal immigrants to the way that Mexico wants the
 US to treat *illegal* immigrants from Mexico:

 An American wishing to emmigrate to Mexico must
 meet the following conditions (this info supplied by
 a Mexican Consulate in California)

 1. No criminal record (any criminal record 
 and Mexico will not accept you as an immigrant)

 2. A pre-arranged place to live in Mexico

 3. 5 years guaranteed income of $1000/month 
 for each pensioner and $500/month for each dependent

 4. You must promise not to take any job in Mexico

 5. You must provide your own health care insurance

 6. You must supply a doctor's statement certifying that
 you do not have any communicable diseases (such
 as TB, AIDS, syphilis, etc.

 6. You are not allowed to own any Mexican real estate

 7. You must translate any documents requested by the
 Mexican Immigration office into Spanish at your own expense.

 Any non-Mexican caught crossing the southern border into
 Mexico will be beaten and or shot. Illegal immigrants to Mexico
 who survive apprehension by the Mexican Federales will serve 
 several years in prison at hard labor and then be expelled from Mexico.

 Perhaps the US should implement reciprocity and apply to Mexican
 immigrants the same conditions that Mexico applies to immigrants.

 Just why is Mexican Government exhorting its citizens to migrate to
 the US anyways? What would happen to the Mexican Government
 if the US weren't available as a dumpging ground for surplus Mexicans?"


 Dave Feustel
 Fort Wayne, Indiana

[mancini]

Just how many people are illegally trying to get to Mexico?

[Catspaw]

I'd suggest Guadalajara.

[rdavis84]

Last count was, I think, 1 1/2 (a midget and his wife)

[MissAmericanPie]

Some things are left out here, for instance, your yearly residence visa will cost you $1,800.00, and if you are a wealthy American like some of my friends who built a 13,000 sq ft home in Las Hadas, you only get to lease the land your house sits on for 99 years. Then when trying to bring your possessions down to furnish your new home, be prepared for them to be tied up at the border for six months until you grease enough palms to the tune of $32,000.00 to get your furniture in country.

It is quite obvious how very much more President Bush loves Mexicans and is deeply concerned for their welfare, than he cares for Americans and theirs, but, the very least he could do is ask/demand quid pro quo. Fox has no problems stating his demands or being bold and demanding as though we owe them something, why is Bush being so shy about Americans getting a break?

Oh, I forget, we Americans only deserve to be loosers in every deal.

[Marine Inspector]

Mexico dumps it migrants on us, so they send their money home to Mexico. A very large chunk of their economy comes from money sent home from the immigrants, both legal and illegal, here in the US

Fox got voted into office, because of the legal and illegal Mexicans in the US, who voted for him

[Dosa26]

You mean I can't go to Mexico illegally and collect welfare if my girlfriend drops a kid? Foxes hipocracy is amazing coming from our "no more important ally".

[mancini]

ROFLOL!

[doxteve]

Few want to immigrate, or migrate to Mexico because of Mexican law.

It would be very sweet to have reciprocity for the illegals coming into our own country. I'll bet the illegal immigration would dry up like it should.

[mancini]

It sure would be sweet, but I don't think we're going to get it.

[Dosa26]

Hipocracy may not be the right word to use for him, Audacity is probably a better definition of his pressing us to grant blanket amnesty. Clever though, it gains him points in the polls which will probably get him re-elected in his country.

My hope is that Bush decides for: Documentation of illegals here, with further action to follow. Criminals and those that do not work out. Every one else goes through the normal immigration process under tempory visas. And no bringing in of relatives until Mexico lets us own land in Mexico.

[humblegunner]

Just a whole bunch of troublesome gringos invade
Mexico daily, bringing their loathesome self sufficiency
and solvency with them.
This is a major problem. >/sarcasm<

[PoisedWoman]

Quite a list of requirements. We should add to the list the possibility of contracting horrible diseases that would surely raise any American's health insurance premium.

My doctor at UC Med in San Francisco treated me for one of those horrible diseases when I returned from a vacation at the Princess, the most expensive hotel in Acapulco. Mexico, he told me, has worse diseases than any African or Asian country. I'll NEVER go back there.

[PoisedWoman]

I do wish that one of the requirements for Mexicans making their home in the US is to leave their rotten music at the border. I had a dream last night that we were being invaded by Mexicans. And sure enough, today on my very white island, a ratty old lowrider truck pulled into the supermarket parking lot blaring disgusting Mariachi music. I consider this the worst form of air pollution.

Scary. I feel like an endangered species.

Not prejudiced! I was married to a brilliant Hispanic guy and we're still good friends.

[sarcasm]

I managed to get acute gastritis at El Camino Real in Mexico City - not fun.

[Dog Gone]

The first question people usually ask about buying real estate in Mexico is whether they can do it.   The answer is yes... many expatriates have purchased property here.  The second question is should they do it?  While it  is true that in years past the Mexican government has not allowed foreigners to buy property, this is no longer the case.  Although there are restrictions, foreigners can buy property, and they will receive either a simple-fee title or a trust deed allowing them to sell the property or will it to their heirs if they so choose.  

 

In years past, buying real estate was always a cash transaction,  but now home mortgages are available to qualified buyers; some of these mortgages are offered by Mexican companies, but some are offered by American companies.  Interest rates are generally higher than for loans on U.S. property, and there are other fees attached, but mortgages do allow people without a large lump of cash to buy property.  

 

Anyone considering buying property in Mexico should keep in mind that he will need a reputable notary (lawyer) and that real estate agents are not licensed or regulated. It is also vital to have a title search done to ensure that the person selling  the property is the person who actually owns it.  There have been numerous scams where gringos have thought they had purchased property only to find it was never really for sale in the first place.  Foreigners who are not yet ready to retire or who are unsure about living in Mexico often buy property and then rent it. 

 LINK

[isthisnickcool]

In years past, buying real estate was always a cash transaction

I know several very wealthy Mexicans that work for one of the biggest companies in mexico. We were talking about this subject a couple of weeks ago. Buying anything "on time" in Mexico is almost unheard of. Houses or cars are purchased with cash. But they did say there has been some mortgage money recently, for the first time, but it's only for very wealthy people.

They say that's one reason so many Mexicans come into the USA illegally, they can purchase items on time.

[Dog Gone]

There is a restricted zone, near the coasts and borders, where Americans aren't allowed to purchase in fee simple. But there's an easy legal procedure which gets around this, and for all practical purposes you do own the property.

Moving to Mexico isn't hassle-free, but moving to any foreign country, especially one that isn't english-speaking, is a challenge. But quite a few Americans have done it. There's a whole community near Guadalajara that is practically an American town.

Here are the legal requirements to get approval to move there. The Mexican Consulate handles the paperwork:

• a) a letter in Spanish (in Chicago, English only is accepted) addressed to the proper immigration authority, stating the applicant's full name, current address, a request to obtain the FM-3, and a statement to the effect that all pertinent paperwork is attached,
• b) your passport,
• c) proof of income,
• d) a certificate of moral solvency from the local police attesting to your criminal record (or lack thereof),
• e) a doctor's certificate stating that you have no communicable diseases, including HIV,
• f) photographs,
• g) cash or a money order for $53 (check first, these rates are variable).
• If you're divorced, you'll need a certified copy of your divorce decree; and
• if you're married, you'll need a certified copy of your marriage license

[cynicom]

"why is Bush being so shy about Americans getting a break?"

Shy??? I can think of far better words than shy.