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To: George W. Bush
Have you considered that possibly Christ does not actually know us as His own until the Father gives us into His care as His sheep, His bondslaves? The Father knew us before the foundation of the world.

If Jesus is who He says he is (thus indicating He knew who he was and is)or He was a liar.

The question is did Jesus retain the knowlege of the Godhead as He walked this earth?

I believe that He had all knowlege,or much of what He says makes no sense.

When He says in John 10:30 "I and [my] Father are one." was that a good guess? if they ARE one then would He not have his Fathers knowlege

I see a nationalist center to the verses on the sheep...but for the purpose of discussion here read it from a Calvinist perspective

Read John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:..

That is current tense GW...Not I will know them I do know them.So IF you take this as a predestination quote...it indicates CURRENT knowlege.

Look at Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven

That along with many prophetic statements indicates to me that Jesus had perfect knowlege..

Luke 8:43And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
8:44Came behind [him], and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
8:45And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press [thee], and sayest thou, Who touched me?
8:46And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
8:47And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately.
8:48And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

GW I love this scripture..it comes as an offer..reah out and touch...and He will make you whole..

42 posted on 09/08/2001 7:49:33 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I believe that He had all knowlege,or much of what He says makes no sense. And I tend to think there are statements that don't make much sense if Jesus employed the full powers of omniscience and omnipotentence and omnipresence from His birth to His ascension.

But I don't think my salvation or yours hinges on this question. I don't think anyone has ever seen fully the true nature of the Trinity. Our minds just aren't capable of it. It's very easy in these matters to find yourself whistling along happily while skating on very thin ice.

Read John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:..

That is current tense GW...Not I will know them I do know them.So IF you take this as a predestination quote...it indicates CURRENT knowlege.
Yes, it is current tense. Completely consistent with what I was saying before. The scripture tells us that that God the Father foreknew and predestined us from the foundation of the world to come to Him through Christ. But this verse only indicates that Christ knows His own sheep now. Not that He (Christ) knew them prior to the foundation of the world. So thank you for helping prove my point.

Look at Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven

That along with many prophetic statements indicates to me that Jesus had perfect knowlege..
I don't think we can ever truly and fully reconcile the Godhead. And I'm content with what I know. Our Lord will correct me as needed.

Yes, I like the story of the woman grasping His hem too. It's a very special account. But it does give rise to a few questions that seem almost unknowable by scripture. And I am still content with that.

46 posted on 09/08/2001 8:18:37 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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