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To George W.Bush-are you really that stupid! I said in my last post that I had used 'beget' to create. I had expressed it incorrectly by stating 'gave birth' INSTEAD OF SIRED

It was you guys who brought up this idea so that you could avoid the clear wording in 1Tim.2:4 and stating that there were TWO wills now existant in the Trinity which existed IN ETERNTIY!

Stop playing sematic word games and deal with the issue.

The JW's use Jn.1:18 as translated in the corrupt NAS to defend their two god system.

You talk about not getting to get involved in mysteries but you TULIP lovers make Papal prouncements regarding a Eternal Decree which cosigns most of the Earth to the Lake of Fire.

When called on that with 'why' or you guys can do is shrug your shoulders and say 'it is a great mystery' 'Allah' I mean God be praised!

Regarding your comment on words having meaning, yes, they do. Sometimes I may phrase something incorrectly, but at least I know that 'all' means 'everyone'(Rom.3:22 AND 1Tim.2:4,1Tim.4:10,2Pet.3:9) and 'whosoever' means 'anyone'(Jn.3:16,Rom.10:13) not just the pre-selected 'elect'.

Even, so come Lord Jesus

You are attempting to' strain at a gnat' while you swallow a camel'(Matt.23:24) The POINT is if you have God 'begetting' the 'Son' in eternity you have a lesser God, whether or not you want to call it a 'cause' or a 'siring' since the Father now is AS YOUR SYSTEM MAKES HIM, PREEMINENT OVER THE SON! Actually, it is pretty clear to me that it is you who strains at a gnat and has an understanding of the Trinity which is somewhat problematic.

You are also blaming all the other Calvinists for my own private opinions and information I have unearthed. I really don't know whether they share my belief or to what extent. I guarantee you that they will hold some theological distinctives that differ from me on this matter.

However, I have at no point questioned your faith or salvation in this matter. It is you who is pointing fingers and making insinuation, not me.

You talk about not getting to get involved in mysteries but you TULIP lovers make Papal prouncements regarding a Eternal Decree which cosigns most of the Earth to the Lake of Fire. In fact, it is you Arminians who make common cause with Rome. This has always been the case and can be abundantly demonstrated. Not that any position taken by Rome is inherently and completely wrong. Just that it mostly is and that it is wrong on key issues of the Christian faith. To many of their followers, it is certain to be fatal heresy and to lead them to a false Christ. One is almost tempted to say that the heresy of Rome is so deep as to preclude anyone coming to a saving faith in Christ but we are not given such certainty in this life. However much I hate to admit it, I have to recognize that there are key elements of my theology and my understanding of scripture that came from (dissident) elements of the chruch of Rome. For you and I particularly, we have to recall that Erasmus never did totaly break with Rome but he did produce the Textus Receptus. It is a little disturbing to think about and requires some explanation, does it not?