Posted on 09/07/2001 3:24:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
(Peter Ruckman, Bible Believers Bulletin,Vo.3.p.457-58,) I note that you seem to quote Ruckman exclusively. I'm afraid you modernist defenders of the KJV have been mislead by Ruckman on a number of issues. He may be better than the ridiculous Riplinger but that's not much of a commendation. My claims for the superiority of the KJV are based on the far sounder and more thorough scholarship of earlier generations. The best single example would be Dean Burgon of Chichester, a thorough defender on all aspects concerning the Authorized. Ruckman is something of a huckster and an opportunist with very some questionable scholarship over the course of his career. However, I would say the same of Boettner, a modern Calvinist who is greatly admired by a few Calvinists here at FR.
Modernists! God help us all.
However, if you want to pretend I have committed some 'heresy' (as did Woody and Spudgin did before you-modus operendi of the Calvinists when they can't defend their heresies, attack the other person as a heretic (e.g.Servetus), go right ahead. But you might need to go running to Uriel to for some more ammo.And Uriel has not addressed anthing to me, lest he pretends that I did not reply! I didn't notice where Woody or Spudgin said that you are a heretic or whether they believe that their disagreement with you would indicate that, in their opinion, you hold a fatal heresy or merely an erroneous understanding of the full teachings of scripture. Not all heresies or failures to understand the full gospel are necessarily fatal to one's personal salvation.
As far as Uriel, I just enjoy his work. He's a very bright man and contends diligently for full scriptural truth and probably has done better over the course of time in holding the full truth of the scripture while guarding himself against harsh comments, even when provoked. He is not perfect but is rather exemplary in this. Something I've learned to admire. We must hold the truth in love. Truth without love or love without truth is of no value to God. And we are to hold both truth and love in obedience. Uriel has a real passion for this sort of teaching.
An unceasing condemnation and questioning of the faith of others, especially in an anonymous forum, is a pretty tough "love". And it's very easy for anger to turn it into no more than self-righteousness and pride. There are times when the tone of our debate actually does harm the cause of Calvinist doctrine. There are times when the harshness of all participants doesn't show much of the impact of Christ's teaching on any of us.
You guys are a bunch of liars-period You've hardly established a case for anything you've said. Now, you're name-calling. Pretty weak. Pretty indicative to any thoughtful reader. I suggest you examine your heart and my suggestion has nothing to do with any dispute or discussion of the meaning and usage of the word "beget" or the nature of the Trinity.
Even so, come Lord Jesus (and bring George W. Bush a brain and the heart to learn) Actually, the other Calvinists consider me refractory as well. I could point you to previous threads if you like. With the exception of Uriel, I expect the other four regular Calvinists to consider me to be a greater problem than you. You have noticed, I think, that they will not even address me generally. It would simply take too much time to tell you here of all the things they have accused me of. So, you should be happy that you're not the only one who thinks I'm unsaved because I don't agree with you. I could provide you with a list of their accusations if it would save you any time in making up your own. And it seems their prayers and reasoning have not prevailed upon me either. Yet I hold my faith as a gift of God. I trust in Him and try not to offend Him too much or embarass Him by my behavior and speech after I have laid my claim to His cross. It seems that I do, unknowingly sometimes, a few small things that do not displease Him too much from time to time, weak and flawed as I am. And I am puzzled at how I am suddenly flung into situations now where I must claim Him or deny Him. I don't really understand it but it is important to Him that others should know that I lay my claim on His cross. It's kind of strange how this has worked since I was once a most wicked and ungodly man.
I do not know my Bible because I used 'gave birth' instead of 'sired'?
Check out Zech.13:3 'and it shall come to pass, that when any shall ye prophesy then his father AND HIS MOTHER THAT BEGAT HIM,...
Do you know how the NAS translates that verse?
And I will come about that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother WHO GAVE BIRTH TO HIM...
You want to run to the NAS when the KJ will not fit your theology (Jn.1:18 Phil.2:6)?
You displayed your spirit when you sneered at what appeared to be a misstep on my part, trying to dismiss EVERYTHING I had brought up.
This is a common tactic among your Calvinistic club-attack, attack and attack and then hold up hands and cry Christian brotherhood!
Regarding lying, Uriel had stated he had contacted me regarding some point he had made and I had not responded (I assumed Fdc referred to me, I asked him, but He never responed to my inquiry).
This is the theological brethren you want to side with-let the blind lead the blind!
Even so, come Lord Jesus
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