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To: Texasforever
Really, Did RR overturn Roe v wade? Did RR abolish the department of education? Did RR raise taxes after his first tax cut? Did RR dare to advocate partial privatization of Social Security? Didn't RR grant blanket amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens? I love Ronald Reagan but he was just a president with his heart on his sleeve just as GWB is. Ronald Reagan, just like GWB, was a politician and he made compromise after compromise with Tip O'Neil to get his signature issues passed. Don't throw Reagan up, especially to those of us that have still vivid memories of his administration.

You're making my point for me (well, you're refuting nopardons' point anyway) -- RR was FAR from perfect, but I still think he was a pretty good president, comparatively speaking. Nope, he didn't make much of a dent in SS, he didn't follow through on his pledge to cut the govt., and he didn't pan out to be the pro-lifer many thought he was either. I happen to think that he was too timid in using the bully pulpit (Remember, I was there too, back in the 80's.) He could have accomplished more, but let's not quibble. He was a very good president. Maybe even a great one -- certainly the greatest one we've had in my lifetime.

The point is, Bush is so much less than even RR. Bush does not take it to the people, Bush does not use the position of president even in the way that RR did. That's the problem -- our expectations are so incredibly low that we conservatives cannot even begin to imagine success. Instead we accept Bush because he's arguably better than Gore. But merely voting for someone because they're less evil than the Dem will never get us what we want. We need someone who will make some progress in turning this ship around.

That ain't Bush.

79 posted on 09/07/2001 12:52:46 AM PDT by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
You're making my point for me (well, you're refuting nopardons' point anyway) -- RR was FAR from perfect, but I still think he was a pretty good president, comparatively speaking.

No I made my own point and showed you conclusively that the position of president is completely alien to you and many others. It is NOT an autocratic office, no matter what the fringe candidates and their followers say. It requires compromise and finesse, another concept alien to the same group. You and many like you do not want a president you want a dictator, but ONLY if he dictates your pet issues. Once we have such a person in office then "God help us all".

85 posted on 09/07/2001 1:00:50 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Aristophanes
WRONG ! Texas made my point and refuted your's. He also proved how absolutely blind , to how things work, you are.

Let's for a moment play a game; shall we ? Pick someone, from your list of presidential candidates ( Pat, Phillips, Keyes were your choices) and imagine that he has been made ( none of them can be elected ! ) president. Both Houses remain the same.

Phillips has absolutely NO help in either House ( I'll give you Paul, if you want him as an ally ) and his caninet is frlled with a qaggle of people who have never held positions, nor have a working reationship with anyone in D.C. He's has no experience in writing a budget and has 1 mavrick supporter . I admitt to knowing little about this , you can have your convention in a mailbox party/ candidate, except that he stands by the Constitution. Fine, where does that get him ? NO WHERE !

Pat's up next. Babe is made something or other... oopppsss she can't be, not after the nepotism bill got passed after JFK & Bobby. Not one GOPer would serve in his administration. Pat thinks he could rule as an emperor would; but he can't. Fracious would be putting it mildly. He'd build a wall on the Mexican border, or could he ? There would be no tax cut. He would rile the Europeans, China, and dollars to diyghnuts, Impeachment proceedings would begin. You better believe that he'd be thrown out. His V.P. choice was a massive blunder. Fulani would have demanded her due in some post, and then you'd have a racists, frminist, self admitted Commie trying to make her psitions valid.

Keye He'd talk a lot, make a LOT of people uncomfortable, angry, and get nowhere fast. No president can overturn Roe V Wafe. So, what would Alan do ? What could he get done, with no backing, no previous kowledge in governance ?

It's all just mental masterbation, pipe dreams, and no reality with you guys. Bash, trash, and shred me, others, the president to your heart's content. In the scheme of things, it will get you nothing. You come here to state your positions, but in the way in which the fringers do it, they make enemies . Hearts and minds are hardened against you, NOT converted . Where once , at least some of your positions were shared by most of us, in many cases, that doesn"t matter anymore.

Here's a truism for ya ... your numbers look BIG on this site, and yes, the fringers are VERY vocal ; however , out there, in the REAL world, you are a tiny minority and the GREENIES have more of a power base than you do.

103 posted on 09/07/2001 2:03:06 AM PDT by nopardons
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