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Secret To Earth's "Big Chill" Found In Underground Water
ScienceDaily.com ^ | 9-6-2001

Posted on 09/06/2001 9:10:10 AM PDT by blam

Date: Posted 9/6/2001

Secret To Earth's "Big Chill" Found In Underground Water

Scientists studying the oceans depend on data from rivers to estimate how much fresh water and natural elements the continents are dumping into the oceans. But a new study in the Aug. 24 issue of Science finds that water quietly trickling along underground may double the amount of debris making its way into the seas. This study changes the equation for everything from global climate to understanding the ocean's basic chemistry.
Since the late 1990s, Asish Basu, professor of earth and environmental sciences at the University of Rochester, has been sampling water and sediments from two of the world's largest rivers, the Ganges and the Brahmaputra of the Indian subcontinent, to understand a period in Earth's history called the Great Cool-Down. Forty million years ago, the global climate changed from the steamy world of the dinosaurs to the cooler world of today, largely because the amount of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, dropped significantly. Scientists have speculated that the cause of this cooling and the decline in atmospheric carbon dioxide was the result of the rise of the Himalayan mountains as the Indian and Asian continental plates pushed into one another. They believe the erosion of the new mountains increased the rate of removal of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere since the process of weathering silicate rocks such as those in the Himalayas absorbs carbon dioxide. This erosion may have depleted the atmosphere of a potent greenhouse gas and triggered the Great Cool-Down.

Coinciding with the cooling period and Himalayan uplift 40 million years ago was a consistent change in the ratio of two isotopes of the element strontium in the oceans' water-a change that continues to this day. Since strontium often comes from eroding silicates, it seemed obvious to scientists that the Ganges and Brahmaputra rivers were simply eroding the Himalayas into the ocean, but when they measured the amount of strontium in those rivers, they found it was far too low to account for the mysterious ratio change in the oceans, and thus too low to account for triggering the cool-down. To determine if enough silicate had eroded to spark the climate change, Basu and his colleagues analyzed both ground water and river water samples from the Bengal delta where the Ganges and Brahmaputra rivers empty. They found the missing strontium and confirmed the culprit that nudged down the thermostat.

"Deep underground in the Bengal Basin, strontium concentration levels in the ground water are approximately 10 times higher than in the Ganges and Brahmaputra river waters," Basu explains. Knowing the speed the water is moving underground, Basu and his team calculated how much strontium could be leached out of the Bengal Basin and into the Indian Ocean. They calculated that about 1.4 times more strontium flows into the ocean through the groundwater than through the rivers above-easily enough to account for the 40 million-year rise.

This study has other impacts in understanding ocean chemistry. "This means that we have to re-evaluate the residence times, the time a particular element remains in the ocean water before settling out, of various chemical elements and species," says Basu. "Most current studies on the ocean's chemistry are based on the supposition that the global rivers are the only carriers responsible for bringing in dissolved materials to the oceans. Our study changes that perception permanently."

In addition, since the oceans are the biggest factor driving global weather, doubling the influx of fresh water will demand that global climate models must be restructured as well. Fresh water is lighter than salt water and so tends to float to the surface in the sea. This difference in density could move volumes of warm and cold water in ways that scientists gauging only the water's temperature would not normally predict.

Working with Basu on the project were Stein Jacobsen of Harvard University, Robert Poreda and Carolyn Dowling of the University of Rochester, and Pradeep Agarwal of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, Austria. The research was partially supported by grants from the National Science Foundation.


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I thought that humans were causing all the climate changes? Hmmmm.
1 posted on 09/06/2001 9:10:10 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
It would require the development of sufficient power to displace really HUGE portions of the earth's lithosphere and hydrosphere and atmosphere, for mankind to make more than a miniscule change in any aspect of that vast combination of physics, chemistry, and biology that constitute the climate-forming factors that control the weather situations across the face of the planet. A simple pulse of excess electromagnetic energy from our sun, or a shifting tectonic plate beneath a continental shelf, would transform the face of our earth far more than all the industrial activities that have already occurred, or may be reasonably expected to be undertaken within the next century or two. By then, one would expect that technology would have advanced to a point that any massive displacement would be mitigated by corrective steps to counterbalance the detrimental effects anticipated, In most cases, the corrective steps are being applied right along with the advancing technology even as we speak.
2 posted on 09/06/2001 9:25:07 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: blam
In addition, since the oceans are the biggest factor driving global weather, doubling the influx of fresh water will demand that global climate models must be restructured as well.

So all the "models" by which global worming is predicted are fatally flawed. Well, well...

3 posted on 09/06/2001 11:01:27 AM PDT by Eala
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To: Eala
bump
4 posted on 09/06/2001 12:12:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: Eala
bump
5 posted on 09/06/2001 12:12:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: gcruse
FYI.
6 posted on 09/06/2001 12:14:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: alloysteel
Exactly. People who claim my SUV caused global warming are either incredibly arrogant, or simply stupid.

(Besides, my boat has two eight-cylinder engines...)

7 posted on 09/06/2001 12:22:17 PM PDT by patton
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To: alloysteel
Actually one only has to put a small amout of catalyst in the atmosphere and nature will do the rest. It only takes one cigarette butt to start a forest fire.
8 posted on 09/06/2001 12:29:47 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: blam
Forty million years ago, the global climate changed from the steamy world of the dinosaurs to the cooler world of today

I was under the impression that the dinosaurs went Kaput a little longer than forty million years ago.

9 posted on 09/06/2001 12:36:10 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: curmudgeonII
"I was under the impression that the dinosaurs went Kaput a little longer than forty million years ago." Yup. 65 million years ago with the meteor that impacted at Chixlub(sp), Mexico.
10 posted on 09/06/2001 12:43:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Homeostasis is the Golden Fleece of science; alas, it likely will remain illusory.
11 posted on 09/06/2001 12:48:24 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I challenge you to start a "forest fire" with a whole pack of filter-tipped cigarettes and a new Bic lighter; try it sometime.
12 posted on 09/06/2001 12:50:53 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: curmudgeonII,blam
I was under the impression that the dinosaurs went Kaput a little longer than forty million years ago.

I think what they are saying is the climate did not change across the K-T boundary until about 40 million years ago. The asteroid came, the dinosaurs went, but the climate stayed warmer for 25 million more years...

13 posted on 09/06/2001 12:53:47 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: blam
"I thought that humans were causing all the climate changes? Hmmmm."

Not unless Humans were more advanced thousands of years ago!

The Ice cores have shown that there is a cycle with spikes both to the warm and the cold going back quite some time. We might be speeding this cycle up, but we are definitely not the cause!

14 posted on 09/06/2001 1:22:26 PM PDT by Bob Evans
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To: dirtboy
I think what they are saying is the climate did not change across the K-T boundary until about 40 million years ago. The asteroid came, the dinosaurs went, but the climate stayed warmer for 25 million more years...

All the stuff I've seen on TV [and you know how accurate that is] postulates a long period of global cooling, lack of sunlight, etc. after the asteroid hit.

This would , by my standards, indicate a fairly massive shift in climate. Oh well, to each his own.

15 posted on 09/06/2001 2:38:17 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: curmudgeonII
All the stuff I've seen on TV [and you know how accurate that is] postulates a long period of global cooling, lack of sunlight, etc. after the asteroid hit.

Long period being relative. Long for us (several thousand years). Short for geologic time.

16 posted on 09/06/2001 2:42:07 PM PDT by dirtboy
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