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To: caddie
You're just naive, dude.

Only naive in thinking that you're capable of reason.

They don't wear t-shirts saying things like, "I am actually a spy working as a grad student in the United States." Maybe they should, so people like you could figure it out.

Going by the numbers, I'd say there are more "true blue" agents with American citizenship working in very sensitive positions in our own government. Read the newpapers once in a while.

But just the same, they go home and transfer incredible amounts of sensitive technology to the ChiComs.

Who do you think pays their "scholarships" here in the USA? GM? NSF? NIH? Nope, a ton of them are funded by the Chinese government.


Foreign governments have been known to fund their own grad students. Whoopidy do. I suppose they're all spies with a couple of "turf grass management" certificate candidates just to throw us off. No doubt the Indonesian students are really studying how to make planes to bomb the united states and Pakistani textile majors are studying how to make parachutes. No doubt the Chinese government builds sewers back in China strictly because they could double as bunkers in the event of a war. Of course, a ton of these grad students never go back to their home country, and I bet that makes you soooo mad.

So, unscrupulous, treasonous, or boneheaded physicists, chemists, etc., have a great incentive to use them as quasi-slave labor.

Ooh, you sound so convincingly sympathetic to their "plight". I'm really impressed. I figure these Chinese grad students would go home if they didn't prefer the situation they were in, however.

As for all those boneheaded sponsors, they shouldn't be given the task of being security investigators ( or researchers for that matter) if they're boneheads. But I wouldn't blame them for taking on competent, well funded students.

And the reason they do it, with impunity, is because of the naivete of people like you,

What that I think has absolutely nothing to do with what any professors do with themselves or with other people. It's (traditionally) been a free country, even if some are cowed by political correctness and other movements of stupid people in large groups. And I usually don't do anything with impunity if there isn't a law against doing it.

who think there's nothing wrong with giving away the farm to a hostile nation.

I am not America, just as they are not China.

Tons of Chinese, all trained in the state of the art in physics, biology, chemistry and who knows what else relevant to weapons manufacture.

The technology for making nuclear explosives is over a half century old. The Chinese have had nukes for a while. Practically anyone can create biological weapons. The Chinese invented gun powder. There are universities in China, and the Chinese can read the same academic journals that Americans, Germans, Russians, and even Frenchmen can read, unless the Chinese government doesn't allow them to. If every kind of research was "sensitive", I expect that everyone would have to undergo a security clearance before they opened a book for the first time. But I don't think that would be practical. If formerly secured government-owned labs have been handed over to universities without being "cleaned" or properly regulated, then the government should be held responsible. Trying to keep foreign countries ignorant is a hopelessly naive policy. The world is a big place. Deal with it.

That sort of thinking brings us boatloads of Chinese postdocs, as well as John Huang, and that sort of thing.

The fact that we're a rich, powerful, technologically advanced country brings boatloads of postdocs from all over the place. Money brings us people like John Huang. Surprised?

So, if you endorse this sort of wholesale transfer of sensitive technology to the hostile Chinese, and feel that it is innocent, then you are about as naive as it gets.

I don't endose the wholesale transfer of sensitive technology and I don't endorse you.

Plus, the left has you buying the notion that it is racism that makes people like me suspicious.

Racist? I don't think I said "racist". Xenophobic and eager to find scapegoats for your own problems perhaps. I've found that I can draw my own conclusions based on what I see and hear. Some may find that hard to do, but that's not my problem.

The Chinese are grateful for the incredible stupidity of the many American academicians who share your opinions.

The Left in this country is grateful for the kneejerk stupidity of people like yourself for helping them misrepresent conservatism.

Let me say that I'm glad you're so careful in picking out the traitors in our country. If you had been angry about American merchants, HR managers, politicians, and consumers as well, I suppose they'd all be better off in jail.
77 posted on 09/08/2001 6:29:26 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who
See what happens when naive boneheaded people like you outnumber reasonable individuals like me?

There's no risk in letting all these third-world idiots over here to run free--, right, doc?

But heck, I'm just a xenophobe, not a cool hipster like you.

Hey, just like the Chinese, the arabs, they like us, right?

I am so honored that you know open-minded academic types who work with these foreign postdocs, including arabs. My congratulations to them for helping train these great arab heroes.

They, and you, must feel very proud today.

Let more foreign postdocs (especially arabs) over, right, dr_who?

Go work with your arab postdocs, dude.

You and your hipster, approval-seeking friends have done well.

81 posted on 09/11/2001 10:02:57 AM PDT by caddie
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