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All of the statements below are YOUR HALFTRUTHS AND LIES

You can't even begin to refute our reading of John 6 or Romans 9 or Hebrews 10:14.

You just ignore everything we say. It's not as though you have reasonable counterarguments, because you definitely don't.

you flatly refuse to believe John 6 or Romans 9. You won't even discuss them intelligently.

You have no explanation for John 6:37, 39, and 44 or Romans 9. The Calvinistic position is correct. but You can ignore it, it won't change the Truth. So, ignoring it is dangerous. Why don't you deal with this problem?

And John 6 is perhaps the most staggering example of your contempt for sound doctrine. Verses 37, 39, and 44, taken together, utterly destroy everything in your Wesleyan/Arminian theology. This is why you IGNORE THE PASSAGE and why you IGNORE OUR WARNINGS about THAT.

A real bunch of RUBBISH if fact PURE RUBBISH

I would like everybody to take a look at what is below. Then ask if this qualifies as ignoring John 6. Then ask is this a REASONABLE ATTEMPT TO REFUTE THE CALVINIST READING OF JOHN 6. Then ask is this AN ATTEMPT TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM.

Then take note of the HYPOCRITE'S words

but You can ignore it, it won't change the Truth. So, ignoring it is dangerous.

WHAT HAS HE DONE WITH WHAT IS BELOW ? OR EVEN BETTER WHAT COULD HE DO WITH IT ?

In your 68 you state something very interesting

John 6 is perhaps the most staggering example of your contempt for sound doctrine. Verses 37, 39, and 44, taken together, utterly destroy everything in your Wesleyan/Arminian theology

I find it most interesting YOU STOP AT VERSE 44. if you read 45

"For it is written in the prophets: And THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD EVERY ONE EVERYONE THAT HATH HEARD OF THE FATHER and hath learned, COMETH TO ME."

That kinda pulls the rug out from under YOUR THEOLOGY, It is no wonder you CONVENIENTLY STOP at verse 44

Regards

don

84 Posted on 09/04/2001 14:59:14 PDT by

Please take notice that though there has been 97 more posts on that thread with many of the references that were stated at the beginning of this one included in that 97.

BUT 84 recieved the NORMAL TREATMENT "IT WAS IGNORED" But note the statements above saying that NO RESPONSE TOOK PLACE. WHAT ARE THEY ?

Regards

don

Just to stir the pot-- a friend at school sent me this link. His dad (a pastor) made these notes up earlier, and posted them on the web. its 97 pages from a very calvinist viewpoint, but i'm gonna review them tonite. Free Will and Election

--TJM

Nope. You are not honestly facing anything in the texts which I cited.

Your appeal to v.45 of John 6 means nothing. Verses 37, 39, and 45 destroy your anti-Reformation theology.

An immediate and constant fruit of this faith whereby we are born of God, a fruit which can in no wise be separated from it, no, not for an hour, is power over sin; -- power over outward sin of every kind; over every evil word and work

This is where many people turn their backs on God because, who, please find me one, can obtain this standard, especially because the Word says that if we even think the thought . . .

In my humble opinion, the New Birth is all about atonement for sin, not about abolishing it. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Jesus was our atonement, our covering and reconciliation to God, because we have all sinned and none can, therefore, enter His presence with sin. And the New Birth is acceptance of this fact and the resulting Lordship of Christ because of it. Whether we sin or not.