Posted on 12/23/2025 7:15:15 AM PST by yesthatjallen
Non-crime hate incidents should be scrapped and replaced with a "common sense" system, police leaders are set to recommend.
The scheme would mean only the most serious incidents are recorded as anti-social behaviour.
The recommendation is part of a review by leaders at the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) and College of Policing, which is set to be published next month and given to Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood.
Non-crime hate incidents are perceived to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards certain characteristics, such as race or gender, but do not meet the threshold of a criminal offence.
Rather than logging hate incidents on a crime database, the plan would treat them as intelligence reports, with officers given a "common sense" checklist.
The checklist is intended to ensure officers target only serious anti-social behaviour, such as antisemitism, Lord Herbert of South Downs, chairman of the College of Policing, told The Telegraph.
He said that non-crime hate incidents would "go as a concept", with the system, which dates back to 1999, no longer "fit for purpose".
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(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...
“...common sense has returned.”
I relate crimes like this to bail. But how many times have incidents led in time to further actions like attacks and killings down the road? And if they had been brought in in the first place and evaluated could it have been discovered that further crimes might have been stopped? It’s a very hard choice to make and a lot of people are even blaming judges that have all the facts for making decisions to release people only to have them commit a crime upon freedom, many times worse than the original? Safe than sorry or change the laws to give the law a chance to evaluate.
wy69
Only if it happens which it won’t.
“incidents are recorded as anti-social behaviour.”
Which society?
“ Some degree of common sense has returned.”
Not so sure. Has it been determined that the “migrants” are just as hateful as the people they have invaded? “Hate crimes” seem to only go one way.
Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood
I have reported Rosie Odonnel for “hate speech” when she ran her “Ching Ching” rant against Jackie Chan. The Irish hate speech people sent an email back saying I am abusing a very important tool for combatting real hate speech and to stop immediately. I just report it again.
What they are not wanting is to continue to arrest for social media posts or perhaps something on a sign. Unfriendly but not criminal.
I, too, see this as a common sense proposal.
Think the ‘sticks and stones’ saying.
All of this is a result of two different problems:
1. Activism within the police forces; for example West Midlands Police has a woke contingent that despite having to pay £thousands out for wrongful arrests and wrongful prosecutions, keeps trying to prosecute people for things that are not crimes. Politicians cannot override the actions of individual police officers; only the police authorities can do it.
2. The police authorities are currently hamstrung by rules that were set down under the last Tory government, specifically in 2023.
There’s a nice digestable document explaining all of that, here:
“Home Office Counting Rules (HOCR) which state that ‘all reports of incidents, whether from victims, witnesses or third parties and whether crime related or not, will, unless immediately recorded as a crime, result in the registration of an auditable incident report by the police’.
“In 2000, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) - the then professional body for the police in England, Wales and Northern Ireland - responded to the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry Report by publishing their ‘Guide to Identifying and Combating Hate Crime.’ In March 2005, the Home Office and ACPO jointly published the ‘Good Practice and Tactical Guidance’ on hate crime, including NCHI recording. In 2014, the College of Policing (the current professional body for the police in England and Wales), updated the 2005 guidance and published Hate Crime Operational Guidance (HCOG), which included guidance on
NCHIs.”
So it isn’t a question of restoring common sense so much as unpicking a 25-year-long attempt to resolve a systemic problem which came to a head after the Metropolitan Police abjectly failed to investigate the Stephen Lawrence murder (and then had the Daily Mail - a right wing newspaper - do its own investigation and blast its conclusions out on the front page.)
This led to the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry (Macpherson Report, 1999) which concluded the initial police investigation into the 1993 racist murder of Black teenager Stephen Lawrence had been so incompetent because the Met was “institutionally racist” (in the sense of, it wasn’t just a problem with racist officers; the entire setup of the Force enabled it).
The inquiry made 70 recommendations; it is the adoption of those recommendations that necessitated changes to the Home Office Counting Rules, that then meant even non-crime incidents needed to be investigated and logged, which then led to the 2023 rule being put in place that every incident (whether it appears to be a crime or not) has to be logged and investigated.
I know a lot of people who have raised formal complaints because the police failed to investigate crimes - burglaries specifically - despite these rules being in place. Those complaints are usually upheld. Unfortunately the rules equally apply to “non-crime hate incidents” just as much as they apply to burglaries, muggings, car jacking etc.
So, you have a perverse situation where people can frivolously waste police time by reporting non-crime incidents, and the police are obliged to waste time investigating them, at the same time that the police forces should be dealing with actual crimes but can’t because their officers are wasting so much time issuing speeding tickets or dealing with a deluge of nonsense related to online arguments.
Rosie is as hateful as they come. And delusional.
“I remember reading 1984 in school and the class discussion landed on the idea of thought crimes and thought police.
Everyone more or less snickered at the idea”
Only the craziest of the crazy right wing conspiracy theorists thought such a thing was possible....
Lol.
Woke politicians + woke police = kneejerk tyranny for the native Brits.
Atlas Shrugged, 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World - how to handbooks for the Commiecrats
They’re gonna be pissed when the police start arresting muslim trash and go right back to policing natives complaining about muslim trash.
Raping young white girls is perfectly fine in mulsim pakistani society.
“Non-crime hate incidents are perceived to be motivated by hostility or prejudice”
PERCEIVED!!!
“...to arrest for social media posts or perhaps something on a sign...”
Problem is that history has very often displayed an expanding of minor things like this when it is determined by the perpetrator that they can easily assume they are off the radar and are therefore afforded the chance they can expand their efforts. We hear every day of illegal criminals being given release by judges many times and it isn’t until they do something really bad like murder, beatings or rape they are actually put away to protect the citizens. And I think it is because of those releases they get brave (stupid) and expand their crimes.
If the law does anything, bring them in and evaluate jail, mental institution, or deportation. But something has to be done about them rather than sending them out giving them the opportunity to do worse than they threatened. It appears leaving it up to the judges isn’t accomplishing anything good.
wy69
Research has established that over 93% of American adults use the internet and that over 95% of adolescents (aged 3 to 18) have access to the internet (National Center for Education Statistics, n.d., Pew Research Center, 2021).
Therefore, it is no surprise that social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram are used by offenders to propagate violence quickly and to a broader audience than ever before. Gang members use the internet for a variety of reasons, which include making incendiary remarks about rival gang members, inciting challenges and dares, recruitment, flaunting illegal substances or weapons, uploading videos of fights, watching gang-related music videos, and generally promoting gang culture (Irwin-Rogers et al., 2018).
With this increased accessibility, the literature has explored social media’s role in crime and retaliatory violence, especially among gangs and at-risk youth. This literature review will explore how online social media conflicts between gangs and online disputes among at-risk adolescents fuel in-person retaliatory violence.
Think gangs and use for challenges and asking for a fight. I don’t want the broken bones either. That’s my pain when it might be stopped short.
Before their acts of violence, most individuals who carry out a K-12 mass shooting show outward signs of crisis. Through social media and other means, they often publicly broadcast a high degree of personal instability and an inability to cope in their current mental state. Almost all are actively suicidal.
Two-thirds of foiled plots in all mass shootings (including school mass shootings) are detected through public reporting. Having a mechanism in place to collect information on threats of possible school violence and thwarted attempts is a good first step.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-facts-about-mass-shootings-k-12-schools
When the announcement of violence is ignored, it opens the door to more violence in possibly a concerted effort. The gangs in Chicago use it and I’m sure every where else in the US do to. If they are given the chance to use this medium to plan and set up violent acts it is going to increase them. How brave will they get?
Significant violent crime, such as mass killings, gang violence, armed robberies, and drug trafficking can paralyze communities...
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime
I look at it from another angle. I remember an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
wy69
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