Pentagon War Games Show US Would Lose Aircraft Carriers in Potential China-Taiwan Conflict, Secret Report Reveals

I Stand For Freedom ^ | 12/11/2025 | Noah Stanton

[HYPOCRACY]

Translation: Give us more money or we will lose.

[Nextrush]

China is the major challenge and even NATO knows it but dare not speak openly because of all the business Europe does with China.

Instead, its dump on Russia rage to justify the military buildup demanded by the US in the first place.

[Mr. Blond]

Missile swarms.

[EnderWiggin1970]

Not to worry. Last I checked China only has 273 times the naval production capacity of the US. Hmm, maybe Washington should worry.

"I can run wild for six months... after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto on his prospects against the industrial giant of his day, the U.S. He was correct almost down to the day.

[redfreedom]

A hyper sonic missile would do the job.

[Widget Jr]

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This is the same China which has not been a significant participant in any major conflict since the end of the Third Indo-China war in the 1990s, which for China was more of a loss than a win. China can attack and blockade Taiwan and make a big mess, using an untested navy. The last time the Chinese navy harassed a Philippines patrol ship, a Chinese destroyed wrecked the bow of a Chinese Coast Guard vessel and likely killed several crew on the bow of the Chinese Coast Guard ship. Not exactly a strong showing for China, outnumbering the Philippines 2:1 with a real warship and scoring own goals on themselves.

Any study the mirror images US strengths onto a potential adversary while ignoring that adversaries strengths and weaknesses is marketing for increased defense spending, not giving up and withdrawing from a potential conflict. There is a lot out there on the problems the Chinese military has, like real power projection. China simply does not have the sea or air transport necessary to invade Taiwan.

[Brian Griffin]

Put water between an inner and outer shell.

Laser melts outer shell.

Steam comes out and blocks laser.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Hypersonic missiles will do the trick.

[montag813]

Would have been interesting to see how history would have unfolded had Truman said “Yeah sure, go ahead” when MacArthur requested to use nuclear weapons against Chinese troops entering Korea.

[Brian Griffin]

Shoot off a shrapnel shell with fragile iron balls holding phosphorus that will ignite explosive in missile warhead hundreds of feet away from ship.

[Captain Walker]

He was correct almost down to the day.

It would appear that he was a brilliant man.

He wasn't on board with the attack on Pearl Harbor, but he felt that if Japan waited for the Americans to attack when they came to full strength, the shoot-out in Japanese waters that his colleagues envisioned would never take place.

He prophesied (quite correctly) that the Americans would simply get close enough to launch heavy bombers at Japan, and then commence to burn his country to the ground.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

We can’t even build cheap drones. We’ve got a contractor problem.

[Brian Griffin]

One could put on a silvered metallic warhead cover with a small fin that would spin.

The laser would have to melt much of the cover.

[Brian Griffin]

Buy consumer stuff and upgrade it for combat.

[SeekAndFind]

Let’s not be too cocky with our HELIOS System. More work needs to be done.

HELIOS is a step toward directed‑energy defenses, but it’s not yet a credible counter to Chinese hypersonic missiles. The technology needs far higher power levels, better tracking, and integration with other missile defense systems before it can realistically neutralize hypersonics.

In 2024, HELIOS successfully engaged a threat‑representative cruise missile, marking progress in directed‑energy weapon development.

But Hypersonic missiles are different. Hypersonic missiles travel at Mach 5+ (over 3,800 mph), far faster than drones or cruise missiles. They can change trajectory mid‑flight, making them harder to track and intercept.

Hypersonics use special coatings to withstand extreme heat. Lasers must deliver immense sustained energy to penetrate these defenses.

For now, HELIOS is more of a proof‑of‑concept and layered defense tool than a silver bullet. Current HELIOS power levels (60 kW) are insufficient to reliably disable hypersonics at operational ranges. Analysts suggest lasers would need to scale into the megawatt class. More work needs to be done.

[DesertRhino]

It’s hard to imagine any professional Naval officer imagining that you can bring carriers into the range of our modern short legged strike aircraft like F-18s or especially F-35s, and that in that range that they are somehow immune.

Subs and large missiles are a serious threat.

I’m not in the retard camp that pretends carriers are obsolete, but in a war against a place like China....we can expect one to be hit. A supercarrier would be damned hard to sink. The ones today are like sinking a hunk of Styrofoam. Not impossible, but very hard. But a devastated one could be taken out of the fight.

[Brian Griffin]

“China simply does not have the sea or air transport necessary to invade Taiwan.”

The PRC is the greatest industrial power on Earth.

I suspect it outproduces all the rest of the planet.

This was posted recently:

“In 2024 alone, one Chinese shipbuilder constructed more commercial vessels by tonnage than the entire U.S. shipbuilding industry has built since the end of World War II”

[Vermont Lt]

My first thought is that we would just send another.

Then I thought better of it. Instead we would just destroy their dams, flood their country, and eliminate their ability to wage war.

China doesn’t want to get into all that. Not over a heaping pile of rubble that was the Taiwanese chip industry.

[SeekAndFind]

Edit to add: The U.S. is working aggressively on hypersonic missile defense, with space‑based sensors, new interceptors, and directed‑energy systems under development. But as of late 2025, these are not yet fully operational, meaning hypersonics remain a serious challenge for U.S. defenses.

Lockheed Martin Hypersonic Lab (Huntsville, AL): Opened in 2025 to accelerate hypersonic weapon and defense development. That is part of Trump’s much touted “ Golden Dome “ missile defense system.

[jonrick46]

Not knowing the power capabilities of 60 kW I assumed the HELIOS System was the solution. With your information, I agree, there is more work needed in the technology.